Evangelical Christians Divided Over Trump

[n david]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Donald is far from ideal, but he is despised by the establishment. They can't control him. They can't keep the status quo in charge.

I get the appeal. At the very beginning -- back in July of 2015 or so, I was telling my friends that I liked Trump and was going to vote for him. Since then there has been too many questions raised on issues (not just personal conduct) which makes me question his commitment to conservatism. If Trump shocks the world and wins the election, I don't believe he'll remain committed to being a conservative President. He has no record of consistency. Even now he's waging a twitter war against Paul Ryan and using his Super PAC to spend money against a Republican incumbent who isn't supporting him. He doesn't care if Democrats win the majority in Congress. And if they do, he'll transform back into the liberal Democrat he's been in the past.

[n david]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Think of all of the reasons people cited to not vote for McCain because he wasn't ideal. Think of all of the reasons to not vote for Romney because he wasn't ideal.

WAS IT WORTH IT? Have eight years of Barak Obama been worth taking a "principled" stand against the GOP because they didn't nominate your ideal candidate?

We're still here. Despite the fear-mongering, the Republic has survived. That's not to say obama didn't damage the country, he has. But besides obamacare, we're not much worse off than had McCain or Romney been elected. Honestly, had McCain or Romney been elected, the US would probably be much worse off and involved in a major military conflict with Russia or trying to overthrow Syria or Iran.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by n david

I get the appeal. At the very beginning -- back in July of 2015 or so, I was telling my friends that I liked Trump and was going to vote for him. Since then there has been too many questions raised on issues (not just personal conduct) which makes me question his commitment to conservatism. If Trump shocks the world and wins the election, I don't believe he'll remain committed to being a conservative President. He has no record of consistency. Even now he's waging a twitter war against Paul Ryan and using his Super PAC to spend money against a Republican incumbent who isn't supporting him. He doesn't care if Democrats win the majority in Congress. And if they do, he'll transform back into the liberal Democrat he's been in the past.

Thats the most mind blowing thing when it comes to trump. He has been a dem 90 percent of his life. Not that you cant change, but deep down, he is a dem. All it took was for him to start his build a wall rhetoric and people got behind him.

[n david]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Get off the high horse and understand the difference between a regrettable snapshot of someone's life and decades of corruption and power grabs aimed at eroding the very fabric of our tradition and history.

I disagree with this simply being "a regrettable snapshot" of Trump's life. Trump supporters are acting as though this is the only time Trump has talked like this or acted this way. It's not a snapshot ... it's a pattern which has been established over decades. That video of Trump IS Trump. It's who Trump has been for a very long time. And from his statements, books, interviews and tweets -- until Friday he hasn't regretted any of it. I doubt he truly regrets this even, seeing as his wife wore what she did to the debate. He's Donald Trump. He's rich. He's a celebrity. And as such, he believes he's entitled to do whatever he wants to do to women.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Trump poses are far lesser risk than Hillary. With Hillary we know what we are going to get. With Trump its worth the roll of the dice. We only have two choices---Hillary or no Hillary. As Donald has asked over and over---"WHAT DO WE HAVE TO LOSE?"

What we have to lose is that the Republican party has always represented the party of higher morality and decent people. Regardless of those whose private sins have become manifest, that has been the Republican foundation and why the party hasn't been able to afford scandals to manifest and fester.

Now the Republican party has Trump as their candidate who tears down that barrier allowing those who wouldn't run because of baggage, to move into a new Era where it is not as important to live a more exemplary life.

So, if you want to make distinctions on who is worse for the Christian community, Donald Trump is the greater risk. Think of that my friend and vote third party. Vote Evan McMullin.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

What we have to lose is that the Republican party has always represented the party of higher morality and decent people. Regardless of those whose private sins have become manifest, that has been the Republican foundation and why the party hasn't been able to afford scandals to manifest and fester.

Now the Republican party has Trump as their candidate who tears down that barrier allowing those who wouldn't run because of baggage, to move into a new Era where it is not as important to live a more exemplary life.

So, if you want to make distinctions on who is worse for the Christian community, Donald Trump is the greater risk. Think of that my friend and vote third party. Vote Evan McMullin.

Good post!

[Aquila]

Evidently, the GOP failed to properly vet their candidate. And they want us to trust them with vetting refugees? lol

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Evidently, the GOP failed to properly vet their candidate. And they want us to trust them with vetting refugees? lol

Like your guy has done any better.

Boston. Texas. San Bernadino. Orlando.

The GOP can't do any worse than obama.

[Originalist]

I will take a Deist fornicator like Thomas Jefferson who will actually fight to preserve my religious freedom and the rights of the States over a so-called "conservative" who passes the Evangelical smell-test and leaves in place all the entrenched DC bureaucracy that seeks to destroy my religious freedom and violate the rights of the States.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Originalist

...all the entrenched DC bureaucracy that seeks to destroy my religious freedom and violate the rights of the States.

now that seems like a better characterization of the Republican party, imo.