Revelation Chapters 21 and 22... later 19 and 20

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Where is brother Strange ... did you scare him off ... brother Blume???

Haha. Not sure.

[Trouvere]

Didn't the Jews of that time believe things like the whole world meant their whole world.They felt they were the center of the earth if I remember right.I cannot remember the exact term I read.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Didn't the Jews of that time believe things like the whole world meant their whole world.They felt they were the center of the earth if I remember right.I cannot remember the exact term I read.

Oh yes. Similarly....

Mat 24:14 KJV And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


G3625
οἰκουμένη
oikoumenē
oy-kou-men'-ay
Feminine participle present passive of G3611 (as noun, by implication of G1093); land, that is, the (terrene part of the) globe; specifically the Roman empire: - earth, world.

[Revelationist]

Luke 2:1


Luke 2

2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

KJV

Caesar taxed all the world....

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The saved have passed from death to life the new life comes with the new birth and since it is eternal life there is no end. My soul will never die. I have God's own life in my soul. This has ZERO to do with the context of Rev. 21 & 22.
However the body does die even of saints and are promised a resurrection.

Well, elder, you answered and left your critics silent. Good job.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Well, elder, you answered and left your critics silent. Good job.

Others did, too.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Well, elder, you answered and left your critics silent. Good job.

If I had the ability to post all the absurd stuff that was posted on that FP site folks would think I would be lying or exaggerating and when I thought it could not get more off the wall sure enough another 'brilliant' revelation would be posted. They posted pages trying to prove that they have no sorrow. The foolishness was astounding. All because when they make this stuff up they do not consider the corner they will paint themselves into. So when cornered they just make it up on the spot with absurdities that a child could see through. HONESTY is the problem.

[mfblume]

I believe that Rev 21 through 22 is technically future, for it is after the future great white throne judgment. But the City exists now as the church and Rev 21 through 22 sees the church completed when the end had already come by that time. So the river flowing is the Spirit of God that flows even now from the Church, as well as in the future after the GWT. And John is told that all can come and drink NOW, in verse 17. In other words, the distant future of all that which will occur after the GWT judgment is highlighted, and then we go back to the general cry of salvation for today in verse 17.

I agree that no more tears and sorrow and death is future and yet to be fulfilled. This is where partial preterism differs from full preterism. Full preterists feel EVERYTHING is fulfilled. Not I. Rev 20 through 22 is future.

But when FP's say this is future, it is not because they are not honest. They believe this has to fit with past fulfillment, though I disagree with them.

I agree, Bro Epley this is future, but I disagree the FP's are being dishonest. They are only trying to fit these scriptures into their concept, just asyou try to fit Matthew 24 into your concept and fail to notice that the SIGN OF HIS COMING is the same sign to indicate when the stones of the temple would be overthrown, if you compare all the similar acocunts in Mark, Matthew and Luke.

Are you being dishonest when you do that, despite the fact that the SIGN OF HIS COMING is the sign when the temple would be destroyed? I think not. You are just being stubborn about making sure your concept does not fail, so you go to extremes in Matt 24 to do so, as you feel the FP's do in Rev 21 to 22.

[Scott Hutchinson]

While we are in the earth we will experience sorrow ,but when we are with Jesus in heaven we won't cry.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I believe that Rev 21 through 22 is technically future, for it is after the future great white throne judgment. But the City exists now as the church and Rev 21 through 22 sees the church completed when the end had already come by that time. So the river flowing is the Spirit of God that flows even now from the Church, as well as in the future after the GWT. And John is told that all can come and drink NOW, in verse 17. In other words, the distant future of all that which will occur after the GWT judgment is highlighted, and then we go back to the general cry of salvation for today in verse 17.

I agree that no more tears and sorrow and death is future and yet to be fulfilled. This is where partial preterism differs from full preterism. Full preterists feel EVERYTHING is fulfilled. Not I. Rev 20 through 22 is future.

But when FP's say this is future, it is not because they are not honest. They believe this has to fit with past fulfillment, though I disagree with them.

I agree, Bro Epley this is future, but I disagree the FP's are being dishonest. They are only trying to fit these scriptures into their concept, just asyou try to fit Matthew 24 into your concept and fail to notice that the SIGN OF HIS COMING is the same sign to indicate when the stones of the temple would be overthrown, if you compare all the similar acocunts in Mark, Matthew and Luke.

Are you being dishonest when you do that, despite the fact that the SIGN OF HIS COMING is the sign when the temple would be destroyed? I think not. You are just being stubborn about making sure your concept does not fail, so you go to extremes in Matt 24 to do so, as you feel the FP's do in Rev 21 to 22.

Elder Blume most of the FP that I have communicated with do seem intelligent thus I cannot blame ignorance on their absurd statements so I think they make them up to cover their gross error. I am sorry it seems somewhat dishonest to me, but you know them better than I so I could be wrong. If I am how could seemingly intelligent men be so absurd?