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Originally Posted by mfblume
Many people might say they pay more attention to Jesus than the apostles.
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yes, and many people have no problems with hippies, either, Mike.
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Originally Posted by mfblume
• One person told me they heard a minister say he wasn’t going to preach from the epistles any more, because he’d rather go straight to what Jesus said alone.
• But to go by what Jesus said is to believe the way the apostles told us to believe on Him!
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mmmkay, works for me fine. do it. i don't believe it, myself, but then i know better about where babies come from than a 4 year old, and i am not here to convince any 4 year olds about sex and uteruses and after birth, what would be the point. So, i do notice though, the progression in your quote here, from "this guy is going straight to the hippy," to "he should be going to someone else," there it is, right there, in your
words,
your breath, and i don't know yet, but why do i already know what is coming lol, we are going to just be going lower, and lower, here, huh, until where you finish down there is going to be in this next sentence, let's see if we can equate the two;
"Anyone who does not believe that the Apostles Books are Word is condemned."
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Originally Posted by mfblume
We cannot ignore what the apostles said if we want to believe on Jesus.
• You are actually disobeying Jesus Christ if we do.
He also said He sent them into the world as the Father sent Jesus into the world.
• How serious must Jesus be about the world hearing what the apostles had to say for Him to say He sent them in just the same level of importance that the Father sent Him?
John 17:17-19 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. (18) As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. (19) And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Look at how he even sanctified Himself for THEIR SAKES!
• He prayed for them to be sanctified!
• And then Sanctified Himself for their sakes!
• He puts their word on the same level as His own word when he sent them into the world as the father sent Him to the world.
If Jesus prayed for them to be sanctified through truth, then THEY COULD NOT FAIL in their ministries. He put the seal of approval here on all they later wrote.
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doesn't matter what i believe here Mike, it matters what you believe. Do i believe that the Apostles all were sanctified with Truth though? No, i don't. Prolly just the same way that you say, but do not believe, that all might be saved because Father said that, too. That was His will. So, we even have a record of Apostle's ministry gone bad, whaddya know, apparently their Free Will is not somehow abrogated, and they are apparently
not Vulcan Mind-Melded to Christ in the manner you suggest. So,
you can say that is true, and you are fine ok because it will be understood in context--sooner or later--but i cannot say that, because Judas, and that big, fat hairy conundrum that stares us in the face there, every time, every day that we do not get that, or gloss over it, maybe just blink as you go by, whatever. It is there, waiting for you, in the Book, whenever you are ready for it, k.
But don't even worry about that now,
that is for someone else, right now.
As for the rest of them, sure i believe they pretty much all...exercised their Free Will, Mike. I notice we don't have 12 "Gospels," though, do we. Don't you think for
your thing to be true,
that thing would be true, too?
i mean, so what, God's Word, through the Apostles, is just
getting dropped and forgotten, huh,
like...
trampled on
maybe, ok
You can read water or wine, Mike.
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