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12-03-2016, 01:22 PM
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Re: UPCI Mega Churches???
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T I am not going to hit every point...just to say this re the song 'How Great Is Our God...'
TRC must have changed the lyric since that time you heard it because I heard it on Live stream a few months ago, and they changed that line. I can't recall exactly how they worded it, however, it was changed.
As for that song, I am Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal to the bone, but have no problem singing that line. Whatever the doctrinal stand of the composer, I understand God to be Father, Spirit, Son...ONE God.
The fact that Bishop Wilson may have sung that lyric indicates to you he is less than Oneness...that just proves to me that you have indeed not gleaned anything in his presence. He most definitely is Oneness through and through.
And as you and I are not EVER going to come to an understanding on TRC, it is best that we not continue to march around this mountain forever. Having said that, I will step up when I see you posting things in the future that I feel to be remarks by a disgruntled saint, with no facts supporting.
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I am kind of shocked that any Oneness person would have a problem with the lyrics stating "The Godhead Three in One
Father Spirit Son". I thought the whole point of Oneness doctrine was that the three are one. I guess they don't like trinitarians stating that because it flys in the face of the narrative a lot of Oneness folks promote that trinitarians believe in "three gods".
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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12-03-2016, 01:43 PM
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Re: UPCI Mega Churches???
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I am kind of shocked that any Oneness person would have a problem with the lyrics stating "The Godhead Three in One
Father Spirit Son". I thought the whole point of Oneness doctrine was that the three are one. I guess they don't like trinitarians stating that because it flys in the face of the narrative a lot of Oneness folks promote that trinitarians believe in "three gods".
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There is nothing wrong with that song. It's as oneness as can be.
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12-03-2016, 02:31 PM
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Re: UPCI Mega Churches???
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Originally Posted by CC1
I am kind of shocked that any Oneness person would have a problem with the lyrics stating "The Godhead Three in One
Father Spirit Son". I thought the whole point of Oneness doctrine was that the three are one. I guess they don't like trinitarians stating that because it flys in the face of the narrative a lot of Oneness folks promote that trinitarians believe in "three gods".
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There is nothing wrong with that song. It's as oneness as can be.
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Thank you!! 
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12-03-2016, 05:25 PM
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Isaiah 56:4-5
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Re: UPCI Mega Churches???
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There is nothing wrong with that song. It's as oneness as can be.
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It's a Trinitarian song. 
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12-04-2016, 09:24 AM
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J.esus i.s t.he o.ne God (463)
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Re: UPCI Mega Churches???
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Originally Posted by CC1
I am kind of shocked that any Oneness person would have a problem with the lyrics stating "The Godhead Three in One
Father Spirit Son". I thought the whole point of Oneness doctrine was that the three are one. I guess they don't like trinitarians stating that because it flys in the face of the narrative a lot of Oneness folks promote that trinitarians believe in "three gods".
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If I have to sing it, I prefer:
The Godhead in the son
Lord You are our God
Nevertheless, I really don't like this song. There are far better Oneness songs than this one.
Frankly, I think we in Oneness tend to focus far too heavily on the number three in relation to the Godhead. It just lends too much credence to the trinitarian way of thinking. No wonder we have people on here (amongst others) who used to be Oneness, but regressed to a trinitarian viewpoint.
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Sometimes hidden dangers spring on us suddenly. Those are out of our control. But when one can see the danger, and then refuses to arrest , all in the name of "God is in control", they are forfeiting God given, preventive opportunities.
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12-04-2016, 09:25 AM
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J.esus i.s t.he o.ne God (463)
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Re: UPCI Mega Churches???
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It's a Trinitarian song. |
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Sometimes hidden dangers spring on us suddenly. Those are out of our control. But when one can see the danger, and then refuses to arrest , all in the name of "God is in control", they are forfeiting God given, preventive opportunities.
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12-04-2016, 01:11 PM
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Re: UPCI Mega Churches???
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Originally Posted by Jito463
If I have to sing it, I prefer:
The Godhead in the son
Lord You are our God
Nevertheless, I really don't like this song. There are far better Oneness songs than this one.
Frankly, I think we in Oneness tend to focus far too heavily on the number three in relation to the Godhead. It just lends too much credence to the trinitarian way of thinking. No wonder we have people on here (amongst others) who used to be Oneness, but regressed to a trinitarian viewpoint.
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I disagree. I think oneness people are too worried about the word three. These three are one.
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
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12-04-2016, 01:14 PM
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Re: UPCI Mega Churches???
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Originally Posted by houston
It's a Trinitarian song. |
Actually, no. It may fit both views but it is not purporting the trinity as the trinity is taught.
In fact, despite the author of it, we read...
The Godhead Three in One
Father Spirit Son
The Lion and the Lamb
The lion and lamb is JESUS in Revelation. It's not Father and Son. It's THE SON alone. So, by using the titles that refer to Jesus as SON after having stated God is Father, Spirit and Son, it actually implies Jesus is Father, Son and Holy GHost.
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...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
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12-04-2016, 02:33 PM
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Isaiah 56:4-5
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Re: UPCI Mega Churches???
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Actually, no. It may fit both views but it is not purporting the trinity as the trinity is taught.
In fact, despite the author of it, we read...
The Godhead Three in One
Father Spirit Son
The Lion and the Lamb
The lion and lamb is JESUS in Revelation. It's not Father and Son. It's THE SON alone. So, by using the titles that refer to Jesus as SON after having stated God is Father, Spirit and Son, it actually implies Jesus is Father, Son and Holy GHost.
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I don't think anyone refers to the Father as the lion. But, no. You can't make it yours. It's ours.
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12-04-2016, 03:12 PM
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Re: UPCI Mega Churches???
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Originally Posted by houston
I don't think anyone refers to the Father as the lion. But, no. You can't make it yours. It's ours.
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Wrong:
Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
( 1 Corinthians 3:21-23 KJV)
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