Prophetic word by Bro Arcovio "no election"

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Citing bogus numbers does not help your case.

https://msrc.fsu.edu/news/media-misl...-suicide-study

http://taskandpurpose.com/truth-22-v...-suicides-day/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...eteran_suicide

http://americanhomefront.wunc.org/po...commit-suicide

One thing I noticed is that the 22 a day number was the conclusion from a two year study conducted by Robert Bossarte, a VA epidemiologist. Here's a link to the actual two year study:

https://www.va.gov/opa/docs/Suicide-...2012-final.pdf

Each link you gave me was a bit wonky in that they were largely critical commentary quoting other sources of critical commentary.

Do you have a link to a significant two year peer reviewed study performed by qualified researchers in their fields?

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

You're so angry and combative. I couldn't remember what the number was. So I typed into Bing, "how many vets kill themselves a day". The first result was:

How many veterans kill themselves a day?

Every day about 22 veterans in the United States kill themselves, a rate that is about 20 percent higher than the Department of Veterans Affairs’ 2007 estimate, according to a two-year study by a VA researcher.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.81785e738f73

I wasn't trying to blast anyone with a specific number to prove some point. For the number of those who kill themselves isn't the point.

But you've made it clear. The number I presented is wrong. My entire point is refuted and debunked. No real truth or value. Let's just discard it. There is now nothing to see here. Let's move along with our regularly scheduled programming.

A - chill.
How have I come across as angry and combative?
By informing you that the number you were citing is wrong?
You really are sounding more like a typical lib, every day!
It just caught my eye, because I remember when the article and study came out.
As a statistics nerd, I stated then that it was a bogus implication from the study and followup's to the news article proved that it was.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

One too many.

So you did all of that to jump on a number I used, even though you agree with my premise? LOL

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

A - chill.
How have I come across as angry and combative?

You wrote:

A - seriously???
I try to bring facts to the discussion and you want to ignore them.
Anytime you want to compare family histories on military combat, let me know.
I grew up listening to my father have nightmares almost every night, due to what he had seen and experienced.
But bogus studies and statistics do not help us move the discussion along.

You don't see it? It's almost like you want to whip out family war stories to see whose is bigger. lol

As for your claim about the "bogus study". It was a two year study done by a VA epidemiologist. He openly shows his data and conclusions in the study for peer review. All you gave me was critical commentary on the study that was probably whipped up by a commentator in an afternoon. Do you have any multi-year peer reviewed studies by qualified and reputable sources that compares the data analysis to show where the VA researcher in the first study went wrong?

By informing you that the number you were citing is wrong?

After reviewing your links, that remains to be seen. Critical commentary doesn't hold the same weight as peer reviewed studies. You gave me critical commentary siting critical commentary that was probably whipped up by some internet news blogger within a single afternoon.

I want to see a contradictory peer reviewed study. It would have to compare data over at least a two year period (preferably the same two year period) and illustrate where the first study was mistaken.

You really are sounding more like a typical lib, every day!

Dude, how many times do I have to tell you guys? Yes, I'm politically liberal. Of course I'm going to sound liberal. lol

It just caught my eye, because I remember when the article and study came out.

I see. Cool.

As a statistics nerd, I stated then that it was a bogus implication from the study and followup's to the news article proved that it was.

So, a few jokers can write critical commentary on a two year study and.... you just throw it out? We need another study to statistically PROVE the first study incorrect. I'd be interested to read it.

Take into consideration, lazy researchers who steal the statistical numbers of the first study and twist them isn't a solid study on the topic. It would only be a study on a study. They have to compile numbers and data independently over at least a two years time and draw conclusions that are open for peer review. Do you have a link to such a study?

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

One thing I noticed is that the 22 a day number was the conclusion from a two year study conducted by Robert Bossarte, a VA epidemiologist. Here's a link to the actual two year study:

https://www.va.gov/opa/docs/Suicide-...2012-final.pdf

Each link you gave me was a bit wonky in that they were largely critical commentary quoting other sources of critical commentary.

Do you have a link to a significant two year peer reviewed study performed by qualified researchers in their fields?

A - here you go.

http://www.annalsofepidemiology.org/...525-0/fulltext

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

So you did all of that to jump on a number I used, even though you agree with my premise? LOL

I never said a mumblin' word about your numbers. I posted some memes and made a comment about the reaction to your numbers.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by allstate1

PTSD is not a laughing matter!

Who is laughing? You have me figured out? I thought you were the one who beats the tin drum on how you have better things to do? Yet, you do find the time .

I'm not laughing I'm just stating facts. The fact is PTSD is curable through the power of the Holy Ghost.

Originally Posted by allstate1

Noise no matter the source is a trigger.

Jesus can heal stomach cancer?

Remove a tumor from a child's neck?

But PTSD is impossible to heal?

Originally Posted by allstate1

God does not heal everyone.

Therefore He does heal the rest? Good, I'll go forward with that score and continue to be with that number. I will also continue to go to the ones who aren't healed yet and tell them they can be healed. You have me figured out?

Originally Posted by allstate1

Does the ""type" of service you mentioned heal everyone all the time?

As your faith be it onto you. Yet, if the healing doesn't come it will. That is where we focus. We don't throw up our hands and give the individual a business card of a shrink with words of "sorry, it just didn't work for you."

Wow.

Originally Posted by allstate1

How many conflicts have you been where you had to hold a trigger down on your rifle hoping to kill all the enemy or die yourself?

Do you know me? You don't know my past? Yet you just interact with me to win an argument? But please continue, I'm eager to learn.

Originally Posted by allstate1

I have read many of your post on here and there has not been a subject yet that you have not been the authority on.

Is that the problem? Would you feel better if I was more like you? Again, you have posted more times than once that you haven't the time to waste here. You have allowed everyone to know that you have a life and don't waste your time. Therefore everyone who posts more than you aren't yet to your level? Sis, dig yourself, pull the beam out of your own eye before you start digging in mine. I post what I know, you don't like it, ignore it. I'm not your cup of tea, then respond by not responding. I repeat, you know you have posted that you have no time to waste spending time on this forum. Why? What's your deal?

Originally Posted by allstate1

You are not that intelligent. Check your self,your attitude and your knowledge. You watch a loved one ( 6' 3'' 245 lb martial artist) cry like a baby from a burst of noise or dive under the kitchen table when a helicopter flies over then come talk to me. Until then gain some knowledge learn some tact and show due respect!!

I don't believe you.

Sorry.

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Who is laughing? You have me figured out? I thought you were the one who beats the tin drum on how you have better things to do? Yet, you do find the time .

I'm not laughing I'm just stating facts. The fact is PTSD is curable through the power of the Holy Ghost.



Jesus can heal stomach cancer?

Remove a tumor from a child's neck?

But PTSD is impossible to heal?



Therefore He does heal the rest? Good, I'll go forward with that score and continue to be with that number. I will also continue to go to the ones who aren't healed yet and tell them they can be healed. You have me figured out?





As your faith be it onto you. Yet, if the healing doesn't come it will. That is where we focus. We don't throw up our hands and give the individual a business card of a shrink with words of "sorry, it just didn't work for you."

Wow.



Do you know me? You don't know my past? Yet you just interact with me to win an argument? But please continue, I'm eager to learn.



Is that the problem? Would you feel better if I was more like you? Again, you have posted more times than once that you haven't the time to waste here. You have allowed everyone to know that you have a life and don't waste your time. Therefore everyone who posts more than you aren't yet to your level? Sis, dig yourself, pull the beam out of your own eye before you start digging in mine. I post what I know, you don't like it, ignore it. I'm not your cup of tea, then respond by not responding. I repeat, you know you have posted that you have no time to waste spending time on this forum. Why? What's your deal?



I don't believe you.

Sorry.

YeA I was going to ignore you until that last statement. The man with PTSD. WAS MY HUSBAND!!!! I watched him shoot himself. So don't even start your know it all,condescending attitude you jackwagon!!

[Esaias]

Well, that was interesting.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by allstate1

YeA I was going to ignore you until that last statement. The man with PTSD. WAS MY HUSBAND!!!! I watched him shoot himself. So don't even start your know it all,condescending attitude you jackwagon!!

Sorry, but it is oddly strange to display something so tragic in the way you did. You used it as an example to a person you disdain? I wouldn't, or anyone else I know who went through something that horrific. What ever is going on in your world the forums of the internet are not the place to get it remedied.