My Pastor Preach on Tithing - Faulty Methodology

[BrainWashed]

Originally Posted by Amanah

BW, check out this thread

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=12984

I wonder is that person is still around?

[BrainWashed]

Interesting. Most ministers tend to stick together and when questioned, they cower.

Your comments are typical.

How about you take one for the team and answer a few of my questions?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

No you wouldn't love to read anything which contradicts you.

You just need to do as you have done your whole life.

Think your important, hope other people think your important.

Christianity isn't your cup of tea?

Ok, it isn't a cup of tea for a lot of people. But instead of of leaving it and making up their own religion, they become obnoxious. they stay in Christianity and annoy everyone around them. The first guy to get a busted lip is the man in the pulpit. If he ever turned around on the platform everyone could get a good look at the daggers sticking out of his back. We always get to read the threads about "My Pastor lights his cigars with my tithe dollar" But we never get to hear the pastor's side of the story? Listen, be a good chap, and get your pastor over here. I want to hear what he has to say, I want to hear his views on his preaching. I'm just getting one side of the story from you.

[BrainWashed]

Originally Posted by consapente89

To the OP....I'm not sure if you attend my church or not, but if you do...I'm sure you would feel much more comfortable at the church across town. Ya need a letter to take with ya?!

Why would I require a letter?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by BrainWashed

Interesting. Most ministers tend to stick together and when questioned, they cower.

Your comments are typical.

How about you take one for the team and answer a few of my questions?

Create a new post in the forum under
Forum AFF -> The Sanctuary -> Deep Waters

Ask your questions in a sincere manner without bashing anyone and you will likely get answers

[Michael The Disciple]

No one who teaches we are not under the law of Moses can teach tithing. If tithing is for us why not the Sabbath?

[Michael The Disciple]

Paul was very clear on this matter when he met together with the Elders of the Church at Ephesus.

Pay close attention to the words in bold.

Acts 20:32-35

32And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. 33I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel. 34Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me. 35I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

It was the PERFECT situation for todays Tithing Preachers. They would have taught the Elders....Make sure you teach the people to tithe.

Instead Paul charges them something that would offend most Preachers today.

GET A JOB. WORK WITH YOUR OWN HANDS.

Not a word about tithing.

There IS teaching about giving to the ministry in the New Testament. It is a very good thing. However those that require strict tithing as certainly off base.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by BrainWashed

Yesterday I endured a sermon my pastor taught regarding tithing.

We all know the Israelites tithed of their personal possessions. Therefore, I can’t comprehend how he utilized Abram’s tithe to reinforce tithing.

We know that Abram kept nothing he acquired from the spoils of war.

Genesis 14:24 clearly indicates:
“I will accept nothing but what my men have eaten and the share that belongs to the men who went with me--to Aner, Eshkol and Mamre. Let them have their share."

You don’t need a theology degree to conclude that Abram didn’t keep anything for himself. Therefore, Abram couldn't have tithed from his personal possession as the Israelites were instructed.

Utilizing Abram's tithing example to reinforce New Testament tithing is stupid at best. According to Abram’s example, modern day preaching suggests that if I burglarize a few homes, I must tithe 10% of the stolen goods.

My pastor then said, “Abram must have acquired this practice from God, where else would he get it from”

Uhhhhh……Try reading up on the Arabic War Customs. It was a tradition that the victor tithed 10% of the spoils of war to the neighboring king.

My pastor then utilized Genesis 28:22 to reinforce modern day tithing because of Jacob's tithe:
“and[g] this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth.”


However, my pastor failed to mention the proceeding scriptures to Genesis 28:22. My pastor states that Jacob knew the mandate of tithing and we should too.

Let me inject something here. Jacob was a descendant of Abram, correct? Abram was Isaac’s father, and Isaac was Jacob’s father. Well, if Abram was aware of pre-Mosaic tithing, wouldn’t Abram have instilled this practice into Isaac, and Isaac into Jacob?

Let’s look at the scripture my pastor skipped. Genesis 28:20-22

20) Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear
21) so that I return safely to my father’s household, then the LORD[f] will be my God
22 and[g] this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth.”


Well well…. Would you look at that? Jacob made vow! Jacob bargained with God about tithing. Notice Jacob telling God, basically, if you bless me, then I’ll give you a tenth.


The interesting part is that god accepted Jacob’s terms. Here are a few comments to ponder.

1)If tithing were pre-mosaic, Jacob would have never bargained about tithing with God.
2)God accepted Jacob’s terms, yet we read that God was mad at the Israelites in Malachi 3:8 for robbing god in tithes and offerings?
3)So you’re saying God was okay with Jacob robbing Him of tithes and even allowed Jacob to tithe according to Jacob’s terms? Not only did God agree to Jacob's terms, but god blessed Jacob too. So we read that God condemned the Israelites in Malachi 3:8 for robbing Him of tithes, but he was okay with Jacob doing it?
5)Why didn’t he condemn Jacob as he condemned the Israelites in Malachi?

Someone please enlighten me regarding the two situations above. If you can't comment anything interesting about to two situations I posted above, or if you can't answer my questions, perform a study and then respond to my comments. I'm getting tired of listening to robots.

1.Jacob made a vow. Vows were common then and 10% was a good round number to use.

2. Tithing had been commanded under the Law, therefore failure to do so was robbing God.

Differences? Jacob was not under a covenant that required tithing, the Levites were.

Now, go be a blessing to your pastor.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by BrainWashed

Interesting. Most ministers tend to stick together and when questioned, they cower.

Tend to stick together? Ask a question and they cower?

Ask a question and they cower? Hmm, is the interpretation of that sentence...COME AT ME BRO!

No, you are the pastor, you are the leader, you are the butcher, the baker, and the candlestick maker. I already gave you the answer, go get some folding chairs, take your Bible and move across town. Show everyone how it's supposed to be done. Listen, you don't want answers, and I'll take a good guess your pastor already knew you didn't want an answer. Also, did you share your revelations with everyone else in your church? Did you have some telephone Bible studies, go out to the restaurant with some church members and have some boiled pastor over rice? Stick together eh?

No, we all don't always stick together, but we all know how to spot an opportunist trouble maker. Brainwashed? Go start your own thing, and may the Lord bless you with someone just like YOU.

Originally Posted by BrainWashed

Your comments are typical.

I guess we are even then. Look, this forum is jam packed with "dogpile on the pastor" threads, "Hey, let's impale the UPC" threads, "How to burn a Ultracon with cigarettes" thread. My comments are typical response to your "the pastor won't give me the honor I deserve" comments.

Originally Posted by BrainWashed

How about you take one for the team and answer a few of my questions?

Generally I would, but I'm getting old, and frankly, these "My Pastor is a Big Jerk" threads actually go nowhere. It is like teaching a pig to sing, it wastes your time, and annoys the pig.

Hey, be honest you didn't ask these questions on a public forum to get answers. Your mind is already made up. Again, show the thread to your pastor. I believe with all my heart that after you sit down with him, and show him this thread on his lap top, all your questions will be answered.

[jediwill83]

You aren't old Benicasa...You just runnin low on bacon :-D

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

You aren't old Benicasa...You just runnin low on bacon :-D

I need that chicken with bacon suspenders.