My Pastor Preach on Tithing - Faulty Methodology - Page 6

Praxeas · #51 03-24-2017, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Paul was very clear on this matter when he met together with the Elders of the Church at Ephesus.

Pay close attention to the words in bold.

Acts 20:32-35

32And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. 33I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel. 34Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me. 35I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

It was the PERFECT situation for todays Tithing Preachers. They would have taught the Elders....Make sure you teach the people to tithe.

Instead Paul charges them something that would offend most Preachers today.

GET A JOB. WORK WITH YOUR OWN HANDS.

Not a word about tithing.

There IS teaching about giving to the ministry in the New Testament. It is a very good thing. However those that require strict tithing as certainly off base.

Many Pastors do work when their congregations are small and poor as Paul did.

2Co 11:8 I robbed other churches by accepting support from them for the ministry to you.

1Co 9:13 Do you not know that those performing the holy services eat the things from the temple, and those attending to the altar have a share with the altar?
1Co 9:14 In the same way also the Lord ordered those who proclaim the gospel to live from the gospel.

BrainWashed · #52 03-24-2017, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Abraham tithed on the spoils of war.

Due to the Arab War Custom?

Originalist · #53 03-24-2017, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BrainWashed

Oh spare me......What about a lack of respect for using the word of God to enforce something that's no longer valid?

What happened to Paul's comment in 2 Corinth 9:7-(AMP)
Let each one give [thoughtfully and with purpose] just as he has decided in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver [and delights in the one whose heart is in his gift].

Where in this scripture is Paul commanding tithing for the New Testament church?

Can you answer that?

I agree.

jediwill83 · #54 03-24-2017, 11:30 AM

It is IMPOSSIBLE to give out of ones free will without being under compulsion with the threat of curses and hell when it's preached that is what the consequences.

So what we have is people giving out of fear and not out of joy.

Tell me, would you pay your income taxes if there was no penalties?

Only after I broke out of that mindset of fear was I able to give truly because I wanted to and not because I was scared of consequences.

We have preached this fear doctrine and we have become like battered abused wives scared of the consequences if supper isn't on the table exactly at 5pm and we have turned God into an abusive spouse ready to show us the back of His hand if He is not pleased.

That's not love and that's not my God.

Rudy · #55 03-24-2017, 11:55 AM

My goodness this tithing of filthy lucre sure does spark debate!!

jediwill83 · #56 03-24-2017, 11:59 AM

It's the same mindset of,"I don't sin because I don't want to go to hell."

Fear
Fear
Fear

I am not bound by sin because I'm a new and living creature in Christ Jesus and because I want to please Him not because I am scared of Him.

I didn't turn to Him because I desired to be in a abusive relationship.

aegsm76 · #57 03-24-2017, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jediwill83

It is IMPOSSIBLE to give out of ones free will without being under compulsion with the threat of curses and hell when it's preached that is what the consequences.

So what we have is people giving out of fear and not out of joy.

Tell me, would you pay your income taxes if there was no penalties?

Only after I broke out of that mindset of fear was I able to give truly because I wanted to and not because I was scared of consequences.

We have preached this fear doctrine and we have become like battered abused wives scared of the consequences if supper isn't on the table exactly at 5pm and we have turned God into an abusive spouse ready to show us the back of His hand if He is not pleased.

That's not love and that's not my God.

I agree with your overall principle.
I have been in churches that preached many different ways about tithing.
The ones that preach the 10 & 5 (tithes and offering) always are in more financial trouble than the ones who rarely even touch on tithes.
And those who rarely touched on it were also the ones that would take up large offerings whenever a need arose.

jediwill83 · #58 03-24-2017, 12:42 PM

If we preach tithes are mandatory we must also follow the rules for who and what the tithes are for and what is supposed to be used as tithes and what is considered increase.

Not just "10% of all your money that comes in".

jediwill83 · #59 03-24-2017, 12:44 PM

Am I against tithing and giving? Heck no! I'm against being put in a headlock over it!

Rudy · #60 03-24-2017, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jediwill83

If we preach tithes are mandatory we must also follow the rules for who and what the tithes are for and what is supposed to be used as tithes and what is considered increase.

Not just "10% of all your money that comes in".

If preaching tithes from the law one is going to have to change from money to food items.