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Originally Posted by Pliny

So you would have "conservatives" stand at the door with a list of do's and don'ts? How stupid.

No one said that.

I don't care what you think about how I try to reach people. You have now tried again to move the subject from one of fact to one of opinion. Even "abominations" are not the "unpardonable sin". I believe the Bible. Paul said:
(Eph 4:11 ESV) And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers,
(Eph 4:12 ESV) to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,

Yes, I absolutely believe people need to be "perfected" (KJV) or "built up" (ESV). According to VWS, this means: "In classical Greek of refitting a ship or setting a bone". Apparently, unlike you, I believe people need time to learn and adjust their lives. And you would castigate a person for showing mercy? Incredible! How Pharisaical of you.

By your own definition, this isn't about modesty. It's not about a carnal habit, attitude, or behavior. It's an ABOMINATION. You can allow people to grow, be perfected, and built up in areas that are related to Christian disciplines such as modesty, prayer, attitude, etc. But not ABOMINATION. What you're saying is that a polyamorous group of gay guys could attend your church and continue to live in orgiastic homosexuality (abomination) while you just puppet around in the pulpit trying to perfect them, build them up, and edify them. No. Not in our fellowship. Such an abomination would meet immediate and open rebuke. There would be a call for repentance. If continued, the elders would approach them with witness and admonish repentance. If resisted, they'd be told they are not welcome to attend any longer. They would be shunned and we'd treat them like any other obstinate sinner.

I am certainly not sitting on Christ's judgement seat. Again, you would castigate someone for not judging people? How Pharisaical of you. BTW Didn't you indict "conservatives" for being legalists?

You believe the Bible is clear on this being an ABOMINATION. But you are saying you don't have the commission from Scripture to address it as such. Wow. I'm glad you're not my pastor.

The Pharisees were quick to point out and condemn others and this is what you demand conservatives do? How Pharisaical of you. You have a really twisted view of conservatives. This may be due to your history. If so, please do not project your history onto every conservative you meet.

The Pharisees added a lot to the law and majored in minors. And yet... they ignored more serious sin in their midst. Sound familiar???

Sooo... You believe showing mercy is watering down the gospel? Poor Jesus. Why did He provide mercy to the woman caught in adultery? After all, He watered down the "Word" right?

Mercy is for the repentant. God didn't deep fry Sodom and Gomorrah for nothing.

You castigate us for standing on the Bible then, castigate us for showing mercy - like Jesus. You definitely sound Pharisaical.

No, I'm castigating you for demanding that Scripture describes that something is an abomination... then treating it like it's merely a bad habit.

(Mat 23:23 ESV) "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.
(Mat 23:24 ESV) You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!

Yep, you make an abomination out of a mole hill... and then refuse to treat it as such.

Thankfully, You are not going to sit on Christ's judgement seat either. Your opinion, though meaningful to you, is meaningless to me.

Abominations are meaningless to you too.

So all of your criticism is based upon your personal history and you are projecting this history onto me. Then, you praise the man you could not stand to be under. How utterly tragic. A Shakespearean life of tragedy.

You're being soft on an abomination. And in doing so, you're watering down the severity of sin that is an abomination.

Don't demand that something be defined as an abomination in dozens and dozens of posts... and then whine like a baby when pressed to treat it as such.