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[Aquila]

Gird up your loins like a man.

If you really believe that pants on a woman is an ABOMINATION... act like it.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pliny

You think the verse does not pertain to what people wear?

(Deu 22:5 ESV) "A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God.
(Deu 22:5 ESV) "A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God.
(Deu 22:5 JPS) A woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment; for whosoever doeth these things is an abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Wear: to carry or have on the body or about the person as a covering, equipment, ornament, or the like:

Oh well, I guess you know better than the scholars who translated the verse into English. How dare they indicate the verse is about what people wear.

Why wasn't the Hebrew word "labash" used, instead of "hayah?" Odd that if the original verse was about "wearing" something, they didn't use the Hebrew word for it, which is "labash."

Labash - to put on, wear, clothe, be clothed
Hayah - to fall out, come to pass, become, be

Of course, this is where you don't like using the original definition and instead use Dictionary.com for your reference; because using the original Hebrew definition doesn't fit your narrative of pants.

But it does fit what I quoted previously from Jewish history and culture.

[Aquila]

Pliny, would you allow two men to commit homosexuality in the fifth pew of the church while you're preaching and NOT address it from the pulpit???

If pants on a woman is also an abomination, and she is sitting in the fifth pew of your church all smiley and clapping along in her new designer abominations, will you NOT address it from the pulpit???

Both would be ABOMINATIONS, according to YOU.

[Aquila]

If a woman wearing jeans obeys Acts 2:38... and continues to wear jeans... what did she repent of???

[Aquila]

If pants on a woman is an abomination... it is a more serious sin than her rebellion against her husband. It is also a more serious sin than her reading seedy romance novels during her long bath time. It's more serious than her drinking or smoking. It's paramount that she repent immediately or risk an eternity in a devil's Hell where she's to endure endless torment for as long as God shall live, and God will never die.

We're talking about an... ABOMINATION.

[Aquila]

It's clear that using the Deuteronomy 22:5 text is merely for conservative street cred. Because if it is an "abomination" to you guys, you treat it like it's merely a bad habit to grow out of.

[Aquila]

Now, in my position, Deuteronomy 22:5 speaks to the perversion and debauchery that was common among the Canaanites, a perversion and debauchery that is practiced in many night clubs and venues throughout most major U.S. cities. It is an ABOMINATION to be condemned, rebuked, and eliminated from the presence of God's people.

Women wearing women's pants, to us, is a separate issue. A modesty issue. One that women do grow into and embrace in measured response as they mature in Christ.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Aquila

By your own definition, this isn't about modesty. It's not about a carnal habit, attitude, or behavior. It's an ABOMINATION. You can allow people to grow, be perfected, and built up in areas that are related to Christian disciplines such as modesty, prayer, attitude, etc. But not ABOMINATION. What you're saying is that a polyamorous group of gay guys could attend your church and continue to live in orgiastic homosexuality (abomination) while you just puppet around in the pulpit trying to perfect them, build them up, and edify them. No. Not in our fellowship. Such an abomination would meet immediate and open rebuke. There would be a call for repentance. If continued, the elders would approach them with witness and admonish repentance. If resisted, they'd be told they are not welcome to attend any longer. They would be shunned and we'd treat them like any other obstinate sinner.

This entire post is stupid. But since your position is indefensible you have nothing left.
This makes it sound like you would hammer anyone that is practicing an abomination. Then, you water down your statement and say "If continued" or "If resisted". Which means that you would try to correct their course before dis-fellow-shipping them.

This makes you a hypocrite because you condemn me for showing mercy yet you do the same thing but because I do it, your holier than thou mindset wants to condemn me. There is only one word that describes this admission - hypocrite.

Originally Posted by Aquila

You believe the Bible is clear on this being an ABOMINATION. But you are saying you don't have the commission from Scripture to address it as such. Wow. I'm glad you're not my pastor.

I am glad I am not your pastor as well. You are quick to condemn in others what you yourself do.
(Mat 7:1 KJV) Judge not, that ye be not judged.
(Mat 7:2 KJV) For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
(Mat 7:3 KJV) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Originally Posted by Aquila

The Pharisees added a lot to the law and majored in minors. And yet... they ignored more serious sin in their midst. Sound familiar???

Yes it does sound familiar. It sounds like you. You condemn me for using mercy and faith which is exactly what Christ did (Mat. 23:23). You condemn me for using mercy. Shame on you.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Mercy is for the repentant. God didn't deep fry Sodom and Gomorrah for nothing.
No, I'm castigating you for demanding that Scripture describes that something is an abomination... then treating it like it's merely a bad habit.

I guess you never read about the Prodigal Son. You have admitted that you do not even understand teh gospel:
(Rom 5:8 KJV) But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
This is His mercy.

No wonder you are so messed up. You want to be a "teacher" yet you have no idea what the gospel is. How sad.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yep, you make an abomination out of a mole hill... and then refuse to treat it as such.
Abominations are meaningless to you too.

Another stupid post. Still castigating me for mercy. Thank God this is my "condemnation". As to the idea that "abominations are meaningless to me" right... I have spent several days and a lot of time expressing what the Bible demonstrates because it is "meaningless" to me. How stupid. Your position is so bankrupt of Biblical precedence that you have to attack me for anything you can think of. How tragically sad. It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

Originally Posted by Aquila

You're being soft on an abomination. And in doing so, you're watering down the severity of sin that is an abomination.

Don't demand that something be defined as an abomination in dozens and dozens of posts... and then whine like a baby when pressed to treat it as such.

No. I am not being "soft" anymore than Jesus was soft when He told the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more. If that is my charge then I hope God recognizes the mercy and provides me with the same. Unlike you, I am not perfect. I need God's mercy yesterday, today and tomorrow.

I was abominable to Him at one time in my life. I was proud and sometime lied and my feet were swift towards mischief.
(Pro 6:16 KJV) These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
(Pro 6:17 KJV) A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
(Pro 6:18 KJV) An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
(Pro 6:19 KJV) A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Yet, in spite of my abominable acts, Christ showed me mercy by dying for me.
(Rom 5:8 KJV) But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

I really hope you are not as cruel as you pretend to be here.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm simply saying... if YOU believe that Deuteronomy 22:5 is about pants on a woman, then a woman in pants is an ABOMINATION. Why don't you treat it like an abomination? Why do you then back off your rant and treat it like it's simply a modesty issue, like we do???

I treat everything with mercy - just like Christ.

(Rom 5:8 KJV) But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

It's called the gospel.

[Aquila]

Abominations deserve no mercy... unless one repents.