It's not a question of what's too hard for God. It's what God did.
Amen.
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Your free to believe what you want, but have little scriptural support for your view.
I have lots and not the time to post it all here.
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Yes, I'm familiar with that view. I think its bases on conjecture and speculation.
NO it is not.
You're not even being fair and honest here now. You sound like anything you disagree with is speculation, after you've only heard a very terse and non-detailed explanation of what can be presented with a lot of time in much more detail and tons of scripture. You never thought of that?
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Also seems odd God would create everything except man, destroy everything, recreate everything again, by divine fiat ex nihilo, and this time add man. If the first was a trial run, the second doesnt seem much better.
Your words here betray a complete misunderstanding of my viewpoint and an unwillingness to hear it our before you answer it.
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There were billions of days before day one? Hmm.
Again, you betray a closed mindedness that bases its thinking on knee-jerk reactions without having heard the full explanation. So, I doubt we can even discuss this when you don't realize you should first understand a whole lot more than what I presented in this short space of time on this thread, about this issue I propose, and realize other people put a lot of thought into something they may only relate here today in terse and short summary. You actually think it's as silly a concept as if it proposes a first day, as in first of ANY days, yet having many more before it?
You think we're fools?
Brother...... wow.
lol
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
You're not even being fair and honest here now. You sound like anything you disagree with is speculation, after you've only heard a very terse and non-detailed explanation of what can be presented with a lot of time in much more detail and tons of scripture. You never thought of that?
Your words here betray a complete misunderstanding of my viewpoint and an unwillingness to hear it our before you answer it.
Again, you betray a closed mindedness that bases its thinking on knee-jerk reactions without having heard the full explanation. So, I doubt we can even discuss this when you don't realize you should first understand a whole lot more than what I presented in this short space of time on this thread, about this issue I propose, and realize other people put a lot of thought into something they may only relate here today in terse and short summary. You actually think it's as silly a concept as if it proposes a first day, as in first of ANY days, yet having many more before it?
You think we're fools?
Brother...... wow.
lol
No I understand. I'm familiar with the view. Yes I've thought of it and considered it. I think its bunk.
No I don't think y'all are fools. Not at all.
I just think you have mile wide holes in your hermeneutic on this subject.
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Well, I already provided some explanation about baraw vs awsaw:
Yes, the LXX, showing the Hebrew "created" in Genesis was understood to mean "epoiesin", as in Exodus. Thus, the heavens and the earth and everything in them was made in six days, just like God said.
Psalm 148:5 uses baraw, in reference to all the things in vs 1-5 that God "created", and those things are:
The heavens, the heights, the angels, the armies, the sun, moon, stars, the waters above the heavens.
He "commanded" and they were "created", ie He created them by His Word. These are all things in the "heavens". The remaining verses describe the earth and things in the earth, in parallel to the heavens. Thus, the Psalm is a chiasm concerning the heavens and things in them, and the earth and things in it. Thus, God "created" the heavens and the earth, and all things therein.
Just as Ex 20:11 says God "made" the heavens and the earth, and all things therein.
And He did it in six days, as He said.
Now, it would be correct to say that the earth - considered alone, without any of its contents - was not made in six days, for the earth itself was made before the third day was finished.
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Matthew 19:4 uses poiesas and epoiesin, "made", in Jesus' citation of Genesis 1:27/5:1-2, where the Hebrew has baraw. Thus showing that according to Jesus and the apostles, there is no difference, create and make mean the same essential thing, as they do in English. If I create a piece of music, we can say I "made a song". If I make an invention, it will be known as my creation.
God made/created the heavens and the earth and their contents in six days, just like He said He did.
So far I have established that, in the context of the creation of the heavens and the earth, there is no substantial difference between the uses of "create" and "make" to warrant thinking that they must refer to two separate events. Both terms are used for the creation of the heavens, the earth, sun, moon, stars, animals, and man himself. Both terms are used in reference to the same actions. Therefore, there is no indication there are two separate creation events from the usage of baraw and awsaw.
Can you elaborate on what baraw and awsaw mean, and how they are used, in reference to your claim "but it wasn't in six days"? Can you clarify what was or wasn't done "in six days"?
No I understand. I'm familiar with the view. Yes I've thought of it and considered it. I think its bunk.
No I don't think y'all are fools. Not at all.
I just think you have mile wide holes in your hermeneutic on this subject.
If you were familiar with the view then why did you ask questions implying alleged claims of the view that the view doesn't hold?
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
God did not create time on Day 4. That is a contradiction. You can't have three days of successive evenings and mornings "before" time is created.
In fact, there is no such thing as "before" time. Before implies time. You might as well say "before there was any such thing as before" - its an absurdity.
When was time created? "In the beginning", before which there is no before.
If God existed before the creation of heaven and earth, then time existed before heaven and earth. Otherwise creation could not have happened. There was before creation, THEN creation happened, then there is after creation. ALL of this presupposes "time". If time did not exist, it could not begin to exist, for there would be no "before it began to exist".
Time is not an actual solid thing, but rather a perception of change, as well as the measuring of that change.
nice. you just limited God.
LOL.
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If I remember correctly quantum physics illustrates how if something exists transcendent of time, it exists in a state of eternal "nowness", meaning, something exists "every-when". Past, present, future... all become a single experiential reality.
So people who don't believe its possible that God created everything in 6 days, just as He said, are not "limiting God"?
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
So people who don't believe its possible that God created everything in 6 days, just as He said, are not "limiting God"?
It's not just as God said, first of all.
Anyway...
Hail to the closed minded!
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