Do you think Revelations is enigmatic?

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I was having some serious issues over the fourth. Unless you've been there, which you obviously haven't, just say a prayer for me.

My friend Jeff struggled with some deep emotional and psychological problems relating to having been sexually and physically abused repeatedly when he was younger. In some of his darkest hours he'd turn to me or a counselor. He started going to a church and turned to a pastor for counsel. Ultimately, the pastor said it was all in his head and he had to want to be whole. Jeff tried all he knew to try, he continued to have problems. The pastor told him not to listen to the counselor, instead Jeff only needed the Wonderful Counselor. So, Jeff stopped seeing his counselor. But problems continued. The pastor told him again that it was all in his head and he simply had to have the desire to be free. Jeff finally made up his mind to be free. Jeff's free today. I miss him. He was a great guy.

Religious leaders are so I'll equipped to deal with serious psychological issues. It's not that they couldn't be educated on the issues. It's that many don't want to be. And for many, you'd have to convince them that they are real issues.

I had a pastoral counselor from Employee Care, in Dayton. Great guy. He walked with me through the Psalms. Together, we charted David's emotions in each Psalm of David. David has high highs, and very low lows. He had assurance and stability at times, then he's wavering, crying out for help, almost in despair. It was actually healing to see a man of the Bible, greatly loved of God, struggle like so many of us do. I'll remember what I was told in one of those sessions for the rest of my life. The counselor pointed out, we are not defined by a moment of defeat. Nor is victory attained in the moment. We must have faith that come what may, God will carry us home.

There's beauty in brokenness. It's humbling and tempering. God is glorified in the broken.

Scripture says that Jesus was a man of sorrows aquainted with grief. Scripture also commands us to weep with those that weep. Almost like it's encouraging empathy. For goodness sakes even Jezebel was loved by her people because she showed compassion for them and empathy.

Yes, you can be delivered but that doesn't mean that we have the license to be dismissive to the pain of others and treat them as though their feelings are invalid.

I've seen doctors with terrible bedside manner and it doesn't matter how skilled the physician is, if your bedside manner is terrible, I've seen patients in need of medical care hear that a certain doctor was on call and flat out refuse because of that doctor.

If I shut someone off and shut them down and don't make a effort to be kind and understanding, why in the world would they want my help if I'm so rough and caustic?

You don't think Paul had nightmares and occasionally heard the screams and cries of those he persecuted before his conversion? You don't think that maybe that played a factor in the fervency and determination he had to spread the Gospel?

I'd be willing to bet that every time Paul suffered for the Gospel, there was a part of him that felt that he deserved it because he had done the same and much worse to others.

My point is that in this drive to preach deliverence for everything in the phone book, we can't divorce ourselves from our humanity and empathy.

We are called to bear one another's burdens but it's easier to just say,"Nah....I ain't carrying that....you carry it"

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I was having some serious issues over the fourth. Unless you've been there, which you obviously haven't, just say a prayer for me.

Every man's burden is the heaviest. Do you understand that? Clearly you don't. Therefore you gravitate to being a social justice warrior who feel that if we all talk this through and I rub your shoulders we can make it for another 24 hrs. That isn't the Jesus Christ who found me, or helped me out of all my past tribulation. Paul the apostle was pressed out of measure 2 Corinthians 1:8-9 even to the point beyond their ability to take it. They even felt they were close to death. But in 2 Corinthians 1:9 Paul says it was all done to them so they wouldn't trust in themselves. While you may believe that you aren't a legalist because you don't wear a three piece suit, you miss what legalism actually is. It is trying to live this through your own ability. Romans 8:28 And we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them. So, Paul understood all this, therefore he was able to put 2 and 2 together understanding that there was nothing placed in his life which he could not handle through the Cross.

The Book of Revelation explains that and old system was judged, a system which was manipulated by the religious. Who killed and murdered the opposition. Who would fill their cup to overflowing, not with blessing, but with their own crimes of religiosity. They were Bible debaters, and would come against the Truth of the Gospel at every turn. They blocked the door to Eden. They wouldn't let anyone enter in, nor would they even enter in themselves.
Revelation 21:5 And He who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also He said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” This was understood by the the apostle in 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. The lion no longer devours the sheep, but eats the straw like an ox. The unclean beast, has been changed to a clean beast. Isaiah 43:18-19 talks about the restoration to springing forth with life. Deserts are dead, well springs are renewing life. That out of our very beings come forth flowing water, which we drink through the infilling of the Holy Ghost. Sadly churches in Churchanity no longer believe in the infilling of the Holy Ghost, or our Pentecostal jargon of "praying through. Bro, sometimes a person just need to pray through to snot bubbles and tears. Find a prayer room or a patch out in the back of the house and pray until you empty out and Jesus takes over.

Originally Posted by Aquila

There's beauty in brokenness. It's humbling and tempering. God is glorified in the broken.

That isn't supposed to be every minute of our lives, there is victory in Jesus or savior forever. Right?

When I first came around this I had men tell me about beauty in brokenness, about humbling and tempering. God being glorified in the broken. To only have them turn around when the going got tough to rip me (or anyone else available) up from Dan to Beersheba. I understand the truth of those words, I just don't understand those who are constantly religiously bipolar.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Every man's burden is the heaviest. Do you understand that? Clearly you don't. Therefore you gravitate to being a social justice warrior who feel that if we all talk this through and I rub your shoulders we can make it for another 24 hrs. That isn't the Jesus Christ who found me, or helped me out of all my past tribulation. Paul the apostle was pressed out of measure 2 Corinthians 1:8-9 even to the point beyond their ability to take it. They even felt they were close to death. But in 2 Corinthians 1:9 Paul says it was all done to them so they wouldn't trust in themselves. While you may believe that you aren't a legalist because you don't wear a three piece suit, you miss what legalism actually is. It is trying to live this through your own ability. Romans 8:28 And we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them. So, Paul understood all this, therefore he was able to put 2 and 2 together understanding that there was nothing placed in his life which he could not handle through the Cross.

The Book of Revelation explains that and old system was judged, a system which was manipulated by the religious. Who killed and murdered the opposition. Who would fill their cup to overflowing, not with blessing, but with their own crimes of religiosity. They were Bible debaters, and would come against the Truth of the Gospel at every turn. They blocked the door to Eden. They wouldn't let anyone enter in, nor would they even enter in themselves.
Revelation 21:5 And He who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also He said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” This was understood by the the apostle in 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. The lion no longer devours the sheep, but eats the straw like an ox. The unclean beast, has been changed to a clean beast. Isaiah 43:18-19 talks about the restoration to springing forth with life. Deserts are dead, well springs are renewing life. That out of our very beings come forth flowing water, which we drink through the infilling of the Holy Ghost. Sadly churches in Churchanity no longer believe in the infilling of the Holy Ghost, or our Pentecostal jargon of "praying through. Bro, sometimes a person just need to pray through to snot bubbles and tears. Find a prayer room or a patch out in the back of the house and pray until you empty out and Jesus takes over.







That isn't supposed to be every minute of our lives, there is victory in Jesus or savior forever. Right?

When I first came around this I had men tell me about beauty in brokenness, about humbling and tempering. God being glorified in the broken. To only have them turn around when the going got tough to rip me (or anyone else available) up from Dan to Beersheba. I understand the truth of those words, I just don't understand those who are constantly religiously bipolar.

Nope. You don't understand.

[Aquila]

NOTE TO THE READER:

If you have PTSD, or think you might. Seek PROFESSIONAL counseling. It isn't a joke. It's very serious.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Nope. You don't understand.

So we suffer and go through mental breakdowns in Jesus' name? The comforter doesn't do much comforting? Therefore we just hope for hope? What is not to understand, you had it worse than anyone else? Because every man's burden is the heaviest. But who the Son sets free is free indeed.

Tell me about your delivery services, what exactly happened? How long did these "deliveries" last? I'm seriously asking a question.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

NOTE TO THE READER:

If you have PTSD, or think you might. Seek PROFESSIONAL counseling. It isn't a joke. It's very serious.

Anxious and afraid? Jesus Christ tells us to be anxious for nothing, and that love mature drives out all fear. Intense emotional pain Psalm 147:3 Jesus is that miracle man. Unable to connect with family and friends Proverbs 16:7. Feel like walls are closing in? Bro, we have passed from death into life John 5:24, 1 John 3:14. PROFESSIONAL counseling? Bro, we have a Wonderful Counselor.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Readers or all who it may concern.

If you are exhibiting any of those "feelings" found in that video, go to Jesus Christ, and receive the real resurrecting power of the Holy Ghost. People listening to your complaints without any feedback is how headshrinkers make their money. Even "the just say the sinner prayer" group at Pacific Garden Mission with their radio show unshackled, believes that conversion to Christ is the answer.

Not psychotherapy, drum circles, hugging sessions, people listening to you for hours without giving you any critical feedback, is baloney. Listen, some of these people who support these types of videos, wear their mental illness like a crown.

They tell you things, like "oh you don't know" Hey, Jesus was the answer 2,000 years ago. Jesus is still the answer 2,000 years later.

You will find no group sessions in the Bible where people talked endlessly about problems with no solutions.

Sympathy?

Being sympathetic to the point of pathetic. They end up giving you super strong psychotropic drugs, which end up destroying your brain. Don't and I mean don't take advice from anyone who says psychotropic drugs can help you. Methadone is what they give to heroin addicts. Because it takes the powerful drug and makes the state the dealer. Methadone is stronger than heroine. Do the math! Psychotropics is a chemical strait jacket, and chemical psychiatric hospital without walls. It is a multimillion dollar business and no one gets better!!!!

Jesus promises us BETTER!!!

That video which has been posted in this thread is as dangerous as putting a gun in your mouth. Be ye not filled with intoxicants which leads to excess, but be filled with the Holy Ghost!

They block the entrance to Eden preventing those yearning to enter. Yet, they don't even care to enter, nor will they let those who want to enter any access.

Beware of the serpent and his seed.

I'm not kidding

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Anxious and afraid? Jesus Christ tells us to be anxious for nothing, and that love mature drives out all fear. Intense emotional pain Psalm 147:3 Jesus is that miracle man. Unable to connect with family and friends Proverbs 16:7. Feel like walls are closing in? Bro, we have passed from death into life John 5:24, 1 John 3:14. PROFESSIONAL counseling? Bro, we have a Wonderful Counselor.

NOTE TO THE READER:

This guy doesn't even believe in PTSD. He doesn't even believe in how trauma can effect brain chemistry. Because only 2 in 10 veterans are diagnosed with PTSD, he believes that you're just weak and it's all in your imagination. He'd tell you to just get over it already. He'd brow beat you, mock you, and throw your past at you as a weapon to humiliate you for pure enjoyment. He'll leave you hopeless and hurting, and should all your payers for healing not be answered immediately, he will leave you feeling like YOU failed, yet again.

How do I know? That's exactly how he has treated me. Go back and read it. It's all there.

Now, as Christians, we should seek healing from the Lord. But if your healing tarries, seek good solid professional help. A vet commits suicide evey 65 minutes. And victims of serious physical, emotional, and sexual abuse suffer just the same. Those who have survived traumatic experiences can suffer just the same. This isn't something that only effects veterans. This isn't anything to play with. God often uses counselors like He uses doctors. Don't allow this man, or any other person, to make you feel weak, less Christian, or unspiritual for seeking professional help. The Bible says,

Proverbs 11:14
Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.

Jesus is your Wonderful Counselor. He is your first go to. However, sometimes He chooses not to act, only to humble us to turn to another through which He will work. Sometimes, there will be a multitude of counselors. So, if you've prayed a thousand times, wept in the night, watched relationships suffer, watched your health deteriorate, suffered from lack of focus on the job, or contemplated suicide, seek help, allow Jesus opportunity to work through a professional, there's no shame in this.

Father, I pray for those suffering through the inner horrors of this very real but invisible wound of both body, the brain, and soul, the mind. I pray that you will allow healing virtue to flow, rather it be through divine healing or through the counsel of a professional. I pray that you comfort and lead all of us along this path of healing through the loving grace and power of your Spirit. I pray against every thought of suicide, every oppressive spirit, every ignorant and religious spirit, every spirit of hopelessness, and I plead the blood of Jesus over every episode of PTSD, I pray that forgiveness, grace, and your divine love will cover our brokenness, sins, and failures relating to this very real condition. Let us know that we are loved with an everlasting love. Cast out shame. Cast out discouragement. Lead us to healing through your Spirit. And I pray this prayer in Jesus name. And I praise you for all that your about to do in our lives. Amen

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

NOTE TO THE READER:

This guy doesn't even believe in PTSD. He doesn't even believe in how trauma can effect brain chemistry. Because only 2 in 10 veterans are diagnosed with PTSD, he believes that you're just weak and it's all in your imagination. He'd tell you to just get over it already. He'd brow beat you, mock you, and throw your past at you as a weapon to humiliate you for pure enjoyment. He'll leave you hopeless and hurting, and should all your payers for healing not be answered immediately, he will leave you feeling like YOU failed, yet again.

How do I know? That's exactly how he has treated me. Go back and read it. It's all there.

Now, as Christians, we should seek healing from the Lord. But if your healing tarries, seek good solid professional help. God often uses counselor like He uses doctors. Don't allow this man, or any other person, to make you feel weak, less Christian, or unspiritual for seeking professional help. The Bible says,

Proverbs 11:14
Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.

Jesus is your Wonderful Counselor. He is your first go to. However, sometimes He chooses not to act, only to humble us to turn to another through which He will work. So, if you've prayed a thousand times, wept in the night, watched relationships suffer, your health deteriorate, or contemplated suicide, seek help, allow Jesus opportunity to work through a professional, there's no shame in this.

Father, I pray for those suffering through the inner horrors of this very real bit invisible wound of both body, the brain, and soul, the mind. I pray that you will allow healing virtue to flow, rather it be through divine healing or through the counsel of a professional. I pray that you comfort and lead all of us along this path of healing through the loving. grace of your Spirit. I pray against every thought of suicide, every oppressive spirit, every ignorant and religious spirit, every spirit of hopelessness, and I plead the blood of Jesus over every episode of PTSD, I pray that forgiveness, grace, and your divine love will cover our brokenness, sins, and failures relating to this very real condition. Let us know that we are loved with an everlasting love. Cast out shame. Cast out discouragement. Lead us to healing through your Spirit. And I pray this prayer in Jesus name. And I praise you for all that your about to do in our lives. Amen

You can't help yourself. This is about you winning an argument.

You posted that you didn't get PTSD from the military, but from your upbringing in Ohio?

Aquila where in the New Testament are we urged to seek professional help from psychiatrists? Bro, you use your own personal experiences and discount the power of Jesus Christ? If you can't make it with Christ, take thorazine?

You are dangerous, and your problem is ego. Plain and simple. That video is a lie.

You need God worse than the breath of life.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Jesus is your Wonderful Counselor. He is your first go to. However, sometimes He chooses not to act, only to humble us to turn to another through which He will work. So, if you've prayed a thousand times, wept in the night, watched relationships suffer, your health deteriorate, or contemplated suicide, seek help, allow Jesus opportunity to work through a professional, there's no shame in this.

This isn't what we are taught, we are encouraged to go forward. Contemplate suicide, but have a PROFESSIONAL place you on antidepressants which side effects are a living hell. People who no longer believe in the power of the Holy Ghost. Deliverance services? I asked exactly what they looked like to Aquila, who was restored if any? No comment? Jesus doesn't need Freud to heal you, or Bayer to heal you.