Do you think Revelations is enigmatic?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Geeez. You two are ruining AFF for me.

Joe, it's Sunday, go take your MIL out for some quality time.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You took a bullet in the chest? This is interesting how you dealt with what I posted. You took a bullet as military personnel I assume? What war was this? Where were you deployed where you took the bullet? She was walking to her car with another sister. She was shot point blank in the chest, no jacket, no kevlar, point blank, and drove herself to the hospital. What war were you in Chris? You were military, a "medic" you are told this testimony, but you bypass what actually happened to this saint of God. Good going Tarzan, you need help alright, but no amount of talking to a Nazarene psychologist is going to help you while you percolate in your own human will. Grow up Chris. It isn't about you being the winner, having everyone think you are their hero and friend. It is about being honest, who you are in the dark, where no one can see you but Christ. Where you are in your head, while you surf the internet, Having character, and being a character is totally two different things.

Adrenaline dose wonders and the brain cuts off a significant amount of pain in the midst of trauma, it wasn't a miracle.

Wonderful awesome response from a "man" who seeks more to be right, then hope and faith. Bro, is that your hope for her? Sadly yes, because there is no supernatural Jesus for you. That 24 year old sister isn't a girl who loves Jesus, filled with the Holy Ghost, baptized in JESUS name. Who tells her attacker "God bless you in Jesus name" then takes the bullet. You see it as she is you. All you see in every story is you. Chris just because you can't and won't do something, doesn't mean everyone is like you. Some people don't want religion as a cloak. Some believe this instead of waiting to be an intellectual hero. She was shot by a young black man, is she going to have bad reactions to black men? She was getting into a black car, will she one day have issues with black cars? It happened at night, will she in the future have a problem with going out at night? Bro, you always argue subjects you know little or nothing about. Car backfiring? Do you know how much that happens in the real world? Do you know with cars today they no longer have the ignition systems which causes that issue. Yet, you aren't saying that because that popped in your head, or experience it personally. You say that because you parrot old information from what you have heard or been told by the groups who believe that only psychotherapy saves.

Again, you are only proving that you don't understand what I'm saying. It's not about me. It's about her and the well-being off others.

She is doing better than you. That would make any other man reexamine their posture. Not you. Sadly not you. You just want to be the faith killing wet blanket, to reassure her that one day she will be just like you. Instead of just like Christ. You can keep your religion pal, because it couldn't kick start a wet leaf.

Well, God forbid she not do better than poor week veterans who just need more Jesus. But based on your own words here, should she not do better than what she's doing now, you'd berate here like you berate everyone else. She has to perform to be accepted by people like you and your church.

Aquila the expert and hero. Sorry, but we understand and know the power of the Holy Ghost, the mighty God in Christ. You just know boundaries which confine you outside of Eden.

I never denied that the Holy Ghost can hea and does heall. But I'm not so brazen to assume He always will. Nor do I berate anyone who seeks help.

Good job Chris, you prove beyond all doubt that you are a classless act.

I'd not berate people for seeking a counselor for their PTSD or who take Bayer aspirin.

Jealous that a little girl upstaged you?

Nope.

Were you the guy who sat in testimony services glancing at his watch. Because everyone was taking to long? While you were chafing at the bit to tell everyone how you leap tall buildings in a single bound? Or to tell them how humble and broken you are? But MeeMaw is taking too long telling everyone how her lost grandchildren are currently living for God? How she seen God's promises to her fulfilled after her years of dedicated prayer?

Nope.

It's all about you?

Nope.

No, she was too busy testifying about the goodness of the Holy Ghost.

Praise God.

You would of formed a drum circle?

Nope. Never attended one. You obviously know more about them than I do.

She did talk to someone, she talked with Jesus Christ? You know, the guy who always upstages you? The one who we are supposed to tell people to go to? The one who is the King, the Pastor, the Leader, the Doctor? Oh, you must believe that If you talk to God, you are praying; If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia. You want church to be a MASH unit?

Jesus always upstages everyone, and rightfully so. When did I say I'd not point them to Jesus? I've only said I'd encourage counseling if healing tarries.

If this girl begins to struggle in the future, and in spite of her payers, she isn't getting any better, and a family member encouraged counseling, would you support her looking into counseling, or berate her?

No, that's what you would do. You use people as props in your argument. I just happen to have a sister who took a bullet in the chest. When you tore open your own shirt in the thread to show us how right you are. Everything is about you, nothing else matters, it is all about what you experience. If you can't chew gum, then no one can chew gum. Instead of measuring ourselves with Christ, you want us to measure up to you. You can't do it then no one can do it it. First Church of Rusted Brillo has claimed another victim.

Bro, you're the tough guy here showing who you really are. I'll copy your remarks and show them to another vet tonight. I'm curious what he'll say.

Talk about poster scare tactics? Back in the day you would of marched her to the edge of the snake pit, and kicked her in head first. No, Chris, she has Jesus Christ as her pastor. Thank God in heaven that she doesn't have faith killing selfish ego maniac leading her to a pit. You are such a hero, ready to save the world by placing a rock around its neck to see if they can float.

Project much?

More Christian jargon motivated by legalism? How on earth are we supposed to believe that? You have just posted the words of a prophet of doom. She doesn't need you doing anything for her, only to stay away from her. You don't want her victory.That would prove you wrong. You want her drooling and rocking back and forth. Wincing when a metal tray hits the ground. So, you can look smug and somber, welling up in your ego. Chris the Holy Ghost is real, and you can't stand it.

I never prophesied anything.

No, you are the one who who sends women into the house to change their garment with tears in their eyes. You see Aquila, not everyone is like you. We aren't measured by what you have done. Christ is the measuring rod not you.

You're still stuck on something I did 8 years ago. I don't have the clothing standards my old church charged me to enforce. In 8 years, I think I've only had my step daughter through out booty shorts that her biological father bought her. She gave me no hassle because she knew they were too short and too tight.

That's your hopes for her, you are going to pray for her? Save your breath to cool your porridge?

I already prayed for both of you.

Bro, you don't believe the Holy Ghost is the answer for anyone. Therefore how is that relevant to what we are talking about? You don't believe in the supernatural conversion that is why you are no longer Pentecostal, but a Christain humanist. You believe that those officers need to be put on Beta blockers? Aquila? Want to know why your a crash site? Because you don't believe any of this is real. The Bible is just a story book for you, Jesus was Gandalf, in a make believe world. Why? Because it doesn't work for you. You will find out as you get older that this garbage your peddling won't work for you either. I just hope you find an altar.

I don't believe God is a cosmic Santa Claus who always chooses to heal supernaturally. I believe God can choose to heal through medicine or counseling.

No "its" not a joke. You sadly are a joke.

You're just bitter. You preaching tonight?

You need to find God, you need to find Him fast. You need to do it asap. You need Jesus Christ's Holy Power worse than the breath of life.

I need Him every hour. But He's not going to heal supernaturally at my beck and call.

You are extremely caught in your own human will, smothered by ego, and you don't believe God is real anymore. Because you can't leap tall buildings, you can't stop a bullet, and walk into Church with the Holy Ghost glow. You scowl at her, because you are not her.

You know that's not true.

We are not to measure ourselves among ourselves, we are to allow Jesus to transform us by the renewing of our minds. Not the shrinking of our heads

Amen. So why berate vets and others who benefit from counseling?

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Joe, it's Sunday, go take your MIL out for some quality time.

Funny you should say that she is here at my house now. I'm grilling steaks and shrimp. With potato salad and asparagus.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Funny you should say that she is here at my house now. I'm grilling steaks and shrimp. With potato salad and asparagus.

Don't be sinnin

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Adrenaline dose wonders and the brain cuts off a significant amount of pain in the midst of trauma, it wasn't a miracle.

Chris, you miss the point. But you are a professional at that. Because you don't want to be trumped by a young Apostolic woman. Where were you deployed when you were shot?

Originally Posted by Aquila

Again, you are only proving that you don't understand what I'm saying. It's not about me. It's about her and the well-being off others.

It is about you. You cannot come out of your imaginary world of planet Chris where everything is Chriscentric. If you don't give it all to Jesus. You always have someone in your back pocket or tool bag to pull out and either blame, or use for a prop. The sister was only brought into this conversation, because of a) she is a young woman, b) she relied totally on Jesus, and c) she isn't a whiner who believes she must walk around with a placard for the rest of her life because of one traumatic experience. She allowed the Holy Ghost to take her through. You know, like 3 Hebrew children walking in a burning oven?
But you know what is really special about that story? You couldn't tell they were ever in a fire, no smell of smoke. Smoke always sticks to us when we are near or around fire. Yet, the Bible wanted to point out that these Hebrew children didn't smell of smoke. You like smelling of smoke, and you are upset when Christians don't smell of smoke. When they don't need your water tortures, when they don't need your shoulder rubs, or group sessions, or AA meetings.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Well, God forbid she not do better than poor week veterans who just need more Jesus.

Aquila anyone reading my words wouldn't walk away with all your misrepresentations. You just can't admit that someone doesn't have to do what you have to do. Hey, the Christian thing didn't work out for you. Further more, you don't care. You just don't want it to work out for anyone else. Am I misrepresenting you? I don't think so, because if I was having this conversation with an atheist they would give in and say "hey, whatever works" You (like your political arguments) are only one dimensional.
Even Veggie Tales says God is bigger than the Boogie Man?

But, no not you Hoss, anything you can't handle, no one can handle. Do you even try to find a support of elders who are shucking the corn? No, because then that would mean you would have to admit it can be done. Jesus is the answer, He is the only way out, nothing short of His supernatural Holy Ghost power can get you out of the maze.

Originally Posted by Aquila

But based on your own words here, should she not do better than what she's doing now, you'd berate here like you berate everyone else. She has to perform to be accepted by people like you and your church.

The above quote is from an immature tired mind. Chris, admit when you are wrong. This conversation no one wins. Only when we allow Jesus to be King, and we give it all to Him can we be saved. Human discipline and headshaking is only a band-aid on a bullet wound.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I never denied that the Holy Ghost can hea and does heall. But I'm not so brazen to assume He always will. Nor do I berate anyone who seeks help.

Aquila, the above quote isn't faith by a long shot. We have to trust him to remove our trauma. Young girl gets hit on her horse by a guy in a car. She breaks her leg, the horse was injured but fine. She didn't stop riding, she didn't accept the fear to rule her, because Jesus is her protector and provider.
You deny the power of the Holy Ghost by your preaching that He can't overcome the obstacles in our lives. That psychoanalysts trump the power of God.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'd not berate people for seeking a counselor for their PTSD or who take Bayer aspirin.

Bayer is a drug company? They just don't make aspirin. Medic?????

Originally Posted by Aquila

Nope. Never attended one. You obviously know more about them than I do.

Obviously I know a bit more than you. I know Bayer doesn't just make aspirin, and that the Holy Ghost can set a man free from mental suffering.

Drum circle comment is because when I talk with you you sound like someone who is also into interpretive dance.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Jesus always upstages everyone, and rightfully so. When did I say I'd not point them to Jesus? I've only said I'd encourage counseling if healing tarries.

More faith Chris? No one will ever accuse you of being a man of faith. No one.

[Aquila]

I'm not saying that everyone has to do what I, or any other may have had to do. I'm only saying that IF one seeks counseling it doesn't make them any less of a child of God than one who chooses not to. YOU are insisting that if one seeks counseling, they don't believe in the Holy Ghost. Therefore, it is YOU who is INSISTING that everyone just do what you think they should do, or they are less of a Christian. You're accusing me of what you're doing. Or, will you admit that counseling is a valid choice, should a child of God feel that they would benefit from it?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Drum circle comment is because when I talk with you you sound like someone who is also into interpretive dance

Lol

Let's praise God that neither of us are into it.

I think we'd both have the same look on our faces if we watch interpretive dance. Lol

[Aquila]

Hey, say a prayer for me. I have to give an EOC briefing tomorrow morning. Some changes in the ASP. My director will be there. I'd like to feel at ease and do a good job.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If this girl begins to struggle in the future, and in spite of her payers, she isn't getting any better, and a family member encouraged counseling, would you support her looking into counseling, or berate her?

If? More faith Chris? More faith? Here's your problem chief, you don't trust with faith. You can't see the Holy Ghost work, because you never let it work in your own life. By reason of use. People end up turning to alternative methods because they never really seen God move in their own life. Let Jesus be King of everything Aquila. Jesus is the only answer to set you free. If she doesn't get better? There isn't an IF in this, there is only praying for the optimum. But no, no way ever, I would ever tell anyone to go to a psychiatrist. Psychotropic drugs? Absolutely no way.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Bro, you're the tough guy here showing who you really are. I'll copy your remarks and show them to another vet tonight. I'm curious what he'll say.

Another vet? Bro, we are discussing the Holy Ghost, we are discussing the Bible. You don't want to do Christianity anymore? You want to go in this direction? This is about God's power, not chemical power.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Project much?

Aquila, that is all of what you are crying about. You don't want her to have victory. You would of recommended that she be thrown in the snake pit if Jesus didn't heal here in time. This is your mantra. It is all about you being right. Politics, religion, and now medical treatment. Bro, you are an atheist. You just haven't deep sixed the Christian party hat yet.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I never prophesied anything.

Oh, but you did, you want it so bad for this kid to crash and burn. So, you can feel better. If Chris, can't get it on the go no one can get it on the go. Bro, go back to the other thread and reread your post. You'll pray for her? No thanks, save your breath. Because you don't want her to hold on to her victory. Your faith is greater towards her defeat.

Originally Posted by Aquila

You're still stuck on something I did 8 years ago. I don't have the clothing standards my old church charged me to enforce. In 8 years, I think I've only had my step daughter through out booty shorts that her biological father bought her. She gave me no hassle because she knew they were too short and too tight.

Bro, you refuse to accept this, it isn't about 8 years ago. It is still happening now. You are still the same guy in a different dress. You just changed hats, you never converted. You are tied to the pendulum, you swung far right and to correct that you swung far left. But your nature is still the lion, you don't want the straw, you want the lamb cutlets. You don't want to lie down with the lamb in rest, you want to eat the critter head to toe. The nature, the will, you must give everything over to Jesus Christ. You have to no longer hold on to anything else but Jesus. You don't spend hours in prayer yelling at Him for why He won't zap you with gamma rays and turn you green. You have to pray for His will not your will to be done.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I already prayed for both of you.

I would have to rebuke that. Because you don't believe for her victory. Also when you say you will pray for me and mine you say it because people are watching you. That's legalism. It is doing things because it is expected of you, not because it is a part of you. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I don't believe God is a cosmic Santa Claus who always chooses to heal supernaturally. I believe God can choose to heal through medicine or counseling.

Nobody said he was. I didn't say He was performing magic, I said He responds to faith. I posted that He is able to blow away your headshrinkers and their strong medications. To be able to bring a soul through great tribulation. You lack faith my boy.

Originally Posted by Aquila

You're just bitter. You preaching tonight?

No, if I was bitter I would of went to your home.
I'm just stating a fact, our discussion isn't a joke, but you wanting to keep it going in circles just to win an argument is. Politics, religion, psychology, all subjects where you have played to win. All subjects where you hold a strong humanist position.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I need Him every hour.

More Christian cliché? That's the real legalism. You are supposed to say that, but the rest of your comments delete the above quote. It is a religious mantra to you. Go seek counseling but Jesus loves you. Jesus who? Which Jesus? Not the one of the Bible, because that one never fleshed out a paradigm which directs the students to seek psychiatry, and psychotropic drugs. We don't have what you are telling us to do.

Originally Posted by Aquila

But He's not going to heal supernaturally at my beck and call.

No, he won't heal if you don't believe. Period. You are one faith killing dude.

Originally Posted by Aquila

You know that's not true.

Aquila, simple, if you can't do it no one can do it. That's in your record. Go to the other thread and reread your post.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Amen. So why berate vets and others who benefit from counseling?

I'm not berating any sinners, I'm dealing with you, who claim Christianity but steer men and women to a false christ, and a temporary fix.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm not saying that everyone has to do what I, or any other may have had to do. I'm only saying that IF one seeks counseling it doesn't make them any less of a child of God than one who chooses not to.

Bro, Elijah, prophets of Baal, two choices one outcome. Jesus is the ONLY way. It has to be done HIS WAY. Not our way. It is so funny how you make statements concerning standards in Ultra Conservative Churches but in other areas of your life you might as well be Extremist Islam. We don't have a Christian model for what you are suggesting we do with the brothers and sisters in our churches. We pray, we get filled with the Holy Ghost, we move forward. We find what we need in the Bible, been working for 2,000 years. What you believe in hasn't even been around for 100 years. Chris, Jesus is the only way. Sorry if you refuse to accept that. Cough up some scriptures which defend going to a psychiatrist. Just do it in the other thread I started.

Originally Posted by Aquila

YOU are insisting that if one seeks counseling, they don't believe in the Holy Ghost. Therefore, it is YOU who is INSISTING that everyone just do what you think they should do, or they are less of a Christian. You're accusing me of what you're doing. Or, will you admit that counseling is a valid choice, should a child of God feel that they would benefit from it?

Chris, you refuse to see that what you believe is not Bible. Therefore I can only offer what is found in the Bible. Under the instructions of Jesus Christ and the apostles. We have no place where mind medication was employed by Jesus or His followers. No psychotherapies found in the New Testament. I'm doing what other ministers for 2,000 years have been doing, and that is pointing to Jesus. You only have a new kid on the block who has not even been around for 100 years. Sorry, but your program is time tested, Christianity wins, psychotherapy is losing.

But be a good chap, hurry along and gather all the scriptures which prove your case is what Jesus wants. Just please post it in the other thread.