Psychiatry An Industry Of Death Full Length

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

I just erased a post I was writing because everybody is so polarized on this.

I've had a crummy shrink and a VERY good shrink that helped me understand some things about myself that I dealt with as a child.

I've had some very capable and kind counselors that allowed me to unpack some very traumatic things and one of the most appreciated things they did was to just be there and listen and help me process.

No head shrinking...no weird cliched hate your father wanna sleep with your mother kind of .........

You don't believe in counselling? Fine...don't go.

Great point. My counselor just listened 90% of the time.

I sometimes wonder why more pastors aren't like that. Every time I've gone in for pastoral counseling from a pastor that was over me, they did most of the talking. And most of it was telling me what I needed to do when they didn't even know all the details of the issue. I'd have loved to have had a pastor that just listened and prayed for me. It's kina like that in house church, but not always. They aren't trained counselors, so sometimes a strong personality will take over the conversation.

[Aquila]

So, I think we can agree on the following:

Psych Meds: Danger: Enter at your own risk.
Herbal Remedies: Caution: Know your herbs and know your suppliers.

But what about therapies like EMDR?

[Esaias]

Psychotherapy is voodoo religion. My dad worked in the field until he quit in disgust and went into neurology. I have an old textbook of his on Cognitive Behavior Modification. The book POINT BLANK ADMITS that psychology, psychiatry, and psychotherapy are DESIGNED TO CREATE A HUMANIST SOCIETY. It is social control, not "mental health".

And yes it will lead you away from God. All you people who think your shrink helped you, you are wrong. You were given non-biblical thought processes you adopted as your own. Salvation is all about being transformed to THINK THE WAY GOD THINKS. Psychotherapy is -LITERALLY - Hermetic occultism.

Been there, done that, burnt the T-shirt long ago.

Those who love God will hear His voice calling them to be separated from secular voodoo religious superstition and mind control propaganda.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Whoah. What supplement were you taking?

Had a Dr's appointment and was told to watch my cholesterol. I was told to try fish oil supplements and a cholesterol supplement. Within the first 24 hours of taking the full compliment of pills, I had my first SVT. I believe it was the cholesterol supplement. Unable to prove it though.

I know of people who have taken diet pills and had the same issue or worse, some have had heart attacks.

Originally Posted by Aquila

The FDA and all the regulations out there are just big government socialism. We'd do better without the FDA.

Sure. The point was people should be careful what they put in their bodies. There are numerous stories of supplements which have caused terrible health issues and even death. You have no clue what's written on the bottle is what is in the pills. And if anything happens, these companies are incredibly hard to sue.

Originally Posted by Aquila

All true. But many supplements do have proven (and even tested) benefits.

I'd still take an herbal supplement over a psych med.

My wife worked in physical/sports rehab and would tell me of the products at GNC and other supplement stores which sell pills claiming to be pure, but are really cut down with so much filler that the actual amount of protein, vitamin or nutrition you're getting is nil.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Great point. My counselor just listened 90% of the time.

I sometimes wonder why more pastors aren't like that. Every time I've gone in for pastoral counseling from a pastor that was over me, they did most of the talking. And most of it was telling me what I needed to do when they didn't even know all the details of the issue. I'd have loved to have had a pastor that just listened and prayed for me. It's kina like that in house church, but not always. They aren't trained counselors, so sometimes a strong personality will take over the conversation.

"""His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."""

I understand there are some who have experienced abuse and other serious emotional trauma, so I don't mean to demean or pretend as though it's easy to overcome.

He is our Counselor. More able than any psychiatrist, counselor or even Pastor. Closer than a brother. He is the One who heals us, spiritually, physically and emotionally. If you want someone to talk to, He's always there. He never interrupts.

"""Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."""

He is life. His word brings hope. Why lay on a couch or sit in a chair and talk to another creation, when we can speak directly with the Creator? He created us. He knows us.

It's incredibly sad that we've left Him out of the part of our lives in which He could work the most.

"""For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities"""

Again, I don't mean to belittle anyone. Personally, for me alone, I will not pay to speak to a psychologist or take any medications for depression or anxiety, etc. God has been faithful, each and every time I've come to Him in prayer.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by n david

Years ago, I met and knew a Pastor who secretly battled depression. I did not know him well, but saw and greeted him at various conferences and events. He was on medication for depression when he shot and killed himself.

I have read through this thread and have something to say regarding this subject.

1) Your above comment says he "secretly" battled depression. That is one of the problems in many Apostolic churches. A person cannot be authentic for fear. There is fear of gossip, losing a ministry, loss of friends, judgement by the "saints" and worse yet - judgement by the ministry.

2) If you truly "knew" this man, you would also know that his medication was prescribed by a general practitioner and not a doctor that specializes in mental health. You would also know that his wife recognized that his issues were far beyond what could be helped by the general practitioner. She had begged him to see a Christian psychiatrist. (And yes, E.B. there is such a thing as a CHRISTIAN psychiatrist. ) He refused to do so for fear of losing his ministry and being judged by his fellow ministers. I truly believe that IF he had been persuaded to see a psychiatrist who would be able to monitor his progress, TALK with him and monitor his medication, he would still be with us today.

3) If you have never experienced REAL depression and/or anxiety - debilitating depression or anxiety, (or have been close to someone who does experience this) you have absolutely NO right to judge someone who chooses the route of seeing a psychiatrist or psychologist and taking prescribed medication. Our brain is an organ of the body and it CAN and DOES sometimes not function properly. There IS most definitely a thing called "chemical imbalance." Sometimes, medication is what is needed to help get a person back on track.

4) YES, I believe that the Holy Ghost can and often does a miraculous healing of brains! I've seen it happen. But I've also seen situations where it didn't happen instantaneously and the person involved needed a safe place to counsel and often medication to even get their minds in a place that they could receive counsel and receive the healing that God can give. I've also seen people who were so fearful of the judgement of God that they were unable to receive the healing he offers. I've seen medication used to get a person in the place where they could begin to think logical and accept the healing that God gives .... leave medication and not return; however, sometimes medication was needed to continue.

5) PTSD is NOT something that only military veterans encounter. It happens often in rape victims, physical and emotional abuse victims. There are many triggers that can bring on an episode.

In closing, I will without a doubt testify to the healing power and cleansing power of the blood of Jesus shed on Calvary. I've experienced it in my own life and have seen it work in the lives of many others. However, I also believe that Jesus Christ uses medical science to sometimes accomplish healings. I have also been witness to that. I used to be in the camp that said: "Just get close to Jesus." "You just need a good dose of the Holy Ghost." But when I came face to face with the realization that only the help of a mental health professional and medication was necessary to help someone I was close to heal mentally, I realized that YES, God sometimes uses psychiatrists and psychologists to help the healing process.

Some of you on this forum being so judgemental is the reason that Pentecostal people will suffer in silence. Families will be destroyed and some people will lose their souls because there wasn't compassion among the ministry and the rank and file. Sometimes, even the very scriptures that offer comfort to most of us will send these people into a tailspin because of misconceptions perpetuated by the ministry. I'm afraid that the ministry will have some things to answer for on judgement day.

This is a subject that is very near and dear to my heart. Please don't sit in judgement of ANYONE who suffers from mental depression and anxiety.

[n david]

When I experienced SVT, my heart rate was 250bps for about 20 minutes. A week later, while on beta blockers, I had another episode with my heart rate at 215bps for a little longer - closer to 30 minutes. Both times they gave me a shot to stop my heart and allow it to "reset".

I had crippling anxiety ... which made it even worse, since anxiety can cause heart palpitations. I had nightmares and day terrors of dropping dead of a heart attack. Our daughter was 3 years old. I was just 36 years old. I was too young for heart issues.

The day before the ablation procedure, I had filled out a living will and other paperwork for the hospital in case there were complications. I went into the bathroom at work and broke down. I was sure I was going to die. Such a simple procedure - one which the Dr had done hundreds of times before. Yet my mind was filled with anxiety and fear.

I remember just laying on the bed, tears flowing. It wasn't a long prayer. It wasn't eloquent. It was more just me talking to God. No formalities. No naming and claiming. It wasn't authoritative. It was just me talking to Him, telling Him how afraid I was. Asking Him to take away the anxiety and fear.

Two verses came to my mind and I printed them out and still have them today:

Jeremiah 17:14: ''"Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou art my praise."""

Isaiah 41:10 (Message) """Don't panic. I'm with you. There's no need to fear for I'm your God. I'll give you strength. I'll help you. I'll hold you steady, keep a firm grip on you."""

[n david]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

2) If you truly "knew" this man, you would also know that his medication was prescribed by a general practitioner and not a doctor that specializes in mental health. You would also know that his wife recognized that his issues were far beyond what could be helped by the general practitioner. She had begged him to see a Christian psychiatrist. (And yes, E.B. there is such a thing as a CHRISTIAN psychiatrist. ) He refused to do so for fear of losing his ministry and being judged by his fellow ministers. I truly believe that IF he had been persuaded to see a psychiatrist who would be able to monitor his progress, TALK with him and monitor his medication, he would still be with us today.

"""I did not know him well, but saw and greeted him at various conferences and events.""" We attended many of the same district events and conferences. We would greet each other and exchange pleasantries. I never claimed anything other than that.

Since you're questioning my post, how well did you know him? Or are you simply posting what you've read and heard?

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Psychotherapy is voodoo religion. My dad worked in the field until he quit in disgust and went into neurology. I have an old textbook of his on Cognitive Behavior Modification. The book POINT BLANK ADMITS that psychology, psychiatry, and psychotherapy are DESIGNED TO CREATE A HUMANIST SOCIETY. It is social control, not "mental health".

And yes it will lead you away from God. All you people who think your shrink helped you, you are wrong. You were given non-biblical thought processes you adopted as your own. Salvation is all about being transformed to THINK THE WAY GOD THINKS. Psychotherapy is -LITERALLY - Hermetic occultism.

Been there, done that, burnt the T-shirt long ago.

Those who love God will hear His voice calling them to be separated from secular voodoo religious superstition and mind control propaganda.

You're wrong bro. I wasn't given any thought processes. You weren't there and you don't know the details. You're painting with a very broad brush. With your reasoning I can say that,"Because there are some crackpot preachers that preach false doctrine and have evil motivation I can reject church"

I don't care what your dad thought.

I was highly encouraged to pursue faith by the good therapists I had...only one was off into wierd stuff and I fired him pretty quickly.

They don't all have the same methods.

[Esaias]

"You're wrong." "You have NO right..."

Whatever, guys. I could give my testimony but I won't. Not worth the bandwidth.