Apostoic worship??

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

This is very interesting:

Aquila, your problems are bigger than you realize.

You do nothing but accuse and twist what people are intending to say. You talk about me as though I never received the baptism of the Holy Ghost or was baptized in the name of Jesus. Salvation shatters every family curse. I've been a Holy Spirit filled Apostolic Pentecostal for over 25 years now.

Perhaps you should have read my entire statement, and then you might understand the crux of our disagreement...

However, once converted, they make very powerful and dynamic Christians because of their extensive familiarity with the spirit world. Often fellow Christians who are just “book worm Christians” will never understand them or their understandings because what they know is learned from experience not the writings or surmising of theologians or commentators.

I think your misunderstanding and desire to tear down, accuse, and slander anything that doesn't agree with you is much bigger than you realize. Did Michael deserve the berating that he received on this thread over the style of music he liked? Some folks around here act like a pack of wild dogs, lying in wait, to bite and tear apart anyone who disagrees.

That's a rather big problem. If one has Jesus, they'll defend the truth. But they don't go around "attacking" people.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

You do nothing but accuse and twist what people are intending to say. You talk about me as though I never received the baptism of the Holy Ghost or was baptized in the name of Jesus. Salvation shatters every family curse. I've been a Holy Spirit filled Apostolic Pentecostal for over 25 years now.

Perhaps you should have read my entire statement, and then you might understand the crux of our disagreement...
I think your misunderstanding and desire to tear down, accuse, and slander anything that doesn't agree with you is much bigger than you realize. Did Michael deserve the berating that he received on this thread over the style of music he liked? Some folks around here act like a pack of wild dogs, lying in wait, to bite and tear apart anyone who disagrees.

That's a rather big problem. If one has Jesus, they'll defend the truth. But they don't go around "attacking" people.

Chris, stop holding Mike up as a human shield. You get yourself in trouble, you post things to incite, and make yourself the lighting rod. We then end up losing site of the thread topic and start drowning in your posting gymnastics. Now your a Preterist? You no more believe in Preterism than I believe Sponge Bob Square Pants actually lives on the bottom of the ocean. Esaias doesn't twist your words or anyone else's words. He uses the information he is given and responds back to that information. You are an acrobatic crawfish, you skilled yourself in doing so, therefore the more honest posters no longer want to sit here and give you a pass. We already have Sean drowning us in his vomit, no need to have you top it all off with your month old cream cheese.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Chris, stop holding Mike up as a human shield. You get yourself in trouble, you post things to incite, and make yourself the lighting rod. We then end up losing site of the thread topic and start drowning in your posting gymnastics. Now your a Preterist? You no more believe in Preterism than I believe Sponge Bob Square Pants actually lives on the bottom of the ocean. Esaias doesn't twist your words or anyone else's words. He uses the information he is given and responds back to that information. You are an acrobatic crawfish, you skilled yourself in doing so, therefore the more honest posters no longer want to sit here and give you a pass. We already have Sean drowning us in his vomit, no need to have you top it all off with your month old cream cheese.

I'm not hiding behind Michael. I thought you guys weren't being fair to him and you guys really berated him over the style of music he liked. I think it was post 205 that caught my attention. So, I shared some thoughts. It wasn't until post 250 that I thew out some read meat. And, like predictable dogs, you guys turned to attack me. Well... at least you're not attacking Michael over something stupid any more.

You guys have thrown everything but the kitchen sink at me. I'm still standing.

I still feel like you're still purposefully trying to find fault with me instead of honestly trying to understand me as a brother. I've been so open with you, and yet you only use those things as weapons with which to attack. Sadly, you don't allow what I'm saying to help you understand me or my point of view. And sadly, the Admins never stop you from going so personal.

Would you like me to pray for you again Bro. EB?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm not hiding behind Michael. I thought you guys weren't being fair to him and you guys really berated him over the style of music he liked. I think it was post 205 that caught my attention. So, I shared some thoughts. It wasn't until post 250 that I thew out some read meat. And, like predictable dogs, you guys turned to attack me. Well... at least you're not attacking Michael over something stupid any more.

You guys have thrown everything but the kitchen sink at me. I'm still standing.

I still feel like you're still purposefully trying to find fault with me instead of honestly trying to understand me as a brother. Would you like me to pray for you again Bro. EB?

Aquila you are a pro, at duck and cover. You cut yourself, you bleed profusely, and then you point at others to say they cut you. Understand you as a brother, I understand you as a brother who is rolling full steam towards the abyss. Pray for me, why certainly, I need the prayer, and you need the practice. But, Chris, There are none so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see. You are solidified in your own conceit.

[Esaias]

Aquila, nobody was attacking MTD because he likes a certain style of music. I challenged him on his equating music with spirituality of worship. I and others also pointed out the very real problems with IHOPs theology and practices. Then you came along and derailed the whole conversation into a personal thing. Always about YOU PERSONALLY.

You always do this. You're a typical "social justice warrior" communist beta cuck soyboy. Triggered by any disagreement with your ideas as if you yourself were being shipped to the gas ovens.

But notice what's behind all you silly girly boy antics: a distraction from the subject and the question "what does THE BIBLE say?" Like I said, your problems are bigger than you realize. And, no, AFF isn't going to solve them.

As for brother Michael, believe me, he doesn't need you to play white knight. He and I BOTH have a no-holds-barred view of certain things, we have known each other longer than YOU'VE been around these parts, and we get along just fine.

You need to "contemplate" why your posts and threads seem "centered" on the Outer Limits, psychism, witchcraft, ghosts, demons, etc instead of THE WORD.

As Houston said, dont even play off like you're gonna tell us what "old time Pentecost" is about. You left that, remember? You can't handle "old time Pentecost".

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You always do this. You're a typical "social justice warrior" communist beta cuck soyboy. Triggered by any disagreement with your ideas as if you yourself were being shipped to the gas ovens.

Spoken like Jesus Himself?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Aquila, nobody was attacking MTD because he likes a certain style of music. I challenged him on his equating music with spirituality of worship.

In what post did Michael do that? And what should Michael have said to gain your "approval" or "agreement"?

I and others also pointed out the very real problems with IHOPs theology and practices.

Is Michael a member of the, International House of Pancakes?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Aquila, nobody was attacking MTD because he likes a certain style of music. I challenged him on his equating music with spirituality of worship. I and others also pointed out the very real problems with IHOPs theology and practices. Then you came along and derailed the whole conversation into a personal thing. Always about YOU PERSONALLY.

You always do this. You're a typical "social justice warrior" communist beta cuck soyboy. Triggered by any disagreement with your ideas as if you yourself were being shipped to the gas ovens.

But notice what's behind all you silly girly boy antics: a distraction from the subject and the question "what does THE BIBLE say?" Like I said, your problems are bigger than you realize. And, no, AFF isn't going to solve them.

As for brother Michael, believe me, he doesn't need you to play white knight. He and I BOTH have a no-holds-barred view of certain things, we have known each other longer than YOU'VE been around these parts, and we get along just fine.

You need to "contemplate" why your posts and threads seem "centered" on the Outer Limits, psychism, witchcraft, ghosts, demons, etc instead of THE WORD.

As Houston said, dont even play off like you're gonna tell us what "old time Pentecost" is about. You left that, remember? You can't handle "old time Pentecost".

Amen

[Aquila]

Interesting... Michael offers some insight to his past and personal feelings...

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If worship had been like this when I was a young person I would have begged my folks to take me to Church.

Jon Thurlo ONE THING 2017.

Personally, I'd have asked why Michael felt that way. But Michael's post solicited this:

Originally Posted by Esaias

An alt-rock concert? Van Halen put on a better show by far. And Judas Priest was even better than them.

People have substituted entertainment for worship, lighting and "atmospherics" for the presence of God, and feelings for the power of God. Thus, here we are, 21st century religion, Bread and Circus Worship "Experiences" to suit every taste and want, and a famine of hearing the Word of the Lord.

Michael offers his opinion, revealing that he obviously enjoys the style of the music (which honestly, I'm not that big on personally):

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I know of no more glorious and heavenly worship. I doubt this side of heaven it will be found.

And so how much time did you watch this before pronouncing your judgment? Not much would be my guess.

And Esaias responds

Originally Posted by Esaias

I don't get into the deeply emotional forms of worship, to me it's much like mood music. I'm often concerned that people get too wrapped up in the effect of the music than they do actually experiencing Jesus in a genuine act of worship.

Oh... wait... I'm mistaken. Esaias actually responded:

Originally Posted by Esaias

Are you serious? The guy is deep in bed with heretics and charlatans, and somehow there's nothing more glorious this side of heaven? Its mood music and emotionalism, Jesus is your boyfriend effeminate soft-rock concert standard TBN type stuff.

Can you feel the love of Jesus emanating from Esaias' posts? I sure can.

[Aquila]

And for the record... I'd rather listen to a three year old bang pots and pans together in the name of Jesus than even imply that the likes of Van Halen or Judas Priest was better to listen to.