Apostoic worship??

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Chris, stop holding Mike up as a human shield. You get yourself in trouble, you post things to incite, and make yourself the lighting rod. We then end up losing site of the thread topic and start drowning in your posting gymnastics. Now your a Preterist? You no more believe in Preterism than I believe Sponge Bob Square Pants actually lives on the bottom of the ocean. Esaias doesn't twist your words or anyone else's words. He uses the information he is given and responds back to that information. You are an acrobatic crawfish, you skilled yourself in doing so, therefore the more honest posters no longer want to sit here and give you a pass. We already have Sean drowning us in his vomit, no need to have you top it all off with your month old cream cheese.

I'm not hiding behind Michael. I thought you guys weren't being fair to him and you guys really berated him over the style of music he liked. I think it was post 205 that caught my attention. So, I shared some thoughts. It wasn't until post 250 that I thew out some read meat. And, like predictable dogs, you guys turned to attack me. Well... at least you're not attacking Michael over something stupid any more.

You guys have thrown everything but the kitchen sink at me. I'm still standing.

I still feel like you're still purposefully trying to find fault with me instead of honestly trying to understand me as a brother. I've been so open with you, and yet you only use those things as weapons with which to attack. Sadly, you don't allow what I'm saying to help you understand me or my point of view. And sadly, the Admins never stop you from going so personal.

Would you like me to pray for you again Bro. EB?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm not hiding behind Michael. I thought you guys weren't being fair to him and you guys really berated him over the style of music he liked. I think it was post 205 that caught my attention. So, I shared some thoughts. It wasn't until post 250 that I thew out some read meat. And, like predictable dogs, you guys turned to attack me. Well... at least you're not attacking Michael over something stupid any more.

You guys have thrown everything but the kitchen sink at me. I'm still standing.

I still feel like you're still purposefully trying to find fault with me instead of honestly trying to understand me as a brother. Would you like me to pray for you again Bro. EB?

Aquila you are a pro, at duck and cover. You cut yourself, you bleed profusely, and then you point at others to say they cut you. Understand you as a brother, I understand you as a brother who is rolling full steam towards the abyss. Pray for me, why certainly, I need the prayer, and you need the practice. But, Chris, There are none so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see. You are solidified in your own conceit.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The house church we're currently involved in is an open house church. There are different perspectives present and we welcome them in our conversation. But we don't tear one another down if we disagree. We have what some might call an opening prayer before our meal and that is pretty general. After the Lord's Supper we will sing and worship. We clap, raise our hands, speak our praises aloud. Now, it is a house, so we aren't screaming at the top of our lungs or running. But we pray and worship openly and freely. We speak in tongues. Sometimes the gifts of the Spirit might manifest through an interpretation, word of knowledge, or word of wisdom. It's essentially very much like a home Bible study with Spirit filled believers who are seeking more of Jesus and less institutional church.

I see this as the problem, when we attempt to do church like we see in the book of Acts there aren't any fellowships that are authentically "book of acts" Apostolic unless we are able to lead like Elders Esaias and Benincasa, or join a fellowship led by someone who is actually Apostolic.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Aquila you are a pro, at duck and cover.

One has to become good at duck and cover if others are constantly taking shots at them. Especially when quite a bit is basely accusations made by people taking things out of context for the sheer purpose and enjoyment of attacking.

You cut yourself, you bleed profusely, and then you point at others to say they cut you.

I just share my thoughts and experiences. I'm perfectly willing to agree to disagree. And, I have no reason to go personal when I do. However, certain individuals can't help but go personal because they can't bring themselves to simply agree to disagree and to respect the other individual regardless.

Understand you as a brother, I understand you as a brother who is rolling full steam towards the abyss. Pray for me, why certainly, I need the prayer, and you need the practice. But, Chris, There are none so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see. You are solidified in your own conceit.

EB, sadly, the love of Christ isn't present in your posts to me. It's only you threatening Hell to someone you find disagreement with. Also, if you seriously cared about my soul, you'd spend far more time praying for me and befriending me than you do berating me, insulting me, and trying to run me off. So, I know everything you're saying is a bunch of malarkey.

Besides... I thought that this was a "discussion" forum? It isn't a pastoral support forum, pastoral counseling forum, or even a pastoral Q&A forum. I've never inquired of you to counsel, advise, or direct me. I've only wished to share my perspective of the various subjects being discussed here. For example, on this forum I've tried to stay on the topic, "worship". I've shared some thoughts on how I don't believe a brother should be berated for the kind of worship he prefers. I even mentioned something that I knew would be "red meat" for those who can't help but gnash against individuals they disagree with, just because I was tired of seeing them brow beat a brother over a music style he preferred and an idiom he chose to use. I knew they'd jump to conclusions before asking the important questions. The spirit they are of is all too predictable. And... it took the heat off Michael, who I felt didn't deserve the attack.

If you'd like to give pastoral advice, offer pastoral counsel, or participate in a pastoral Q&A, I'm sure I can find a link to such a forum for you, because you're way out of line when you go down this road. I know you don't see it this way, people such as yourself never do, but such is a form of spiritual abuse. You're not my pastor. Share your thoughts on the topics at hand. Share your agreement or disagreement with my thoughts. If I want your pastoral support, admonition, counsel, or advice, I'll ask it. Otherwise, keep it to yourself.

I imagine it like this. Let's say that this forum is a coffee shop. Many people are seated, having coffee, and various tables are discussing various topics. I join a table and listen. I decide to contribute to the conversation by sharing my thoughts, experiences, opinions, or whatever. Then suddenly, there you are, standing up and screaming at me about how I'm going to Hell, how I'm this and how I'm that. I ask you to settle down and relax, we're all just people sharing our opinions. But you just keep interrupting the flow of the conversation trying to counsel me instead of staying on topic. Other people begin leaving the table because as you shout at me, I'm trying to ask you to just be respectful and stick to the topic. A couple of your buddies sit there popping insults and calling names. They are goofily smiling and snickering, enjoying the opportunity to berate another. You give each other high fives and inside jokes along with the insults. Then, between the insults, you try to warn me of Hell and how I need to part my hair like yours or else. In the past, I've decided to changed tables. But, you find your way to that table and start pounding on the table and demanding I part my hair like yours or else. Then you even drag disagreements from other unrelated topics to the table until you've ruined the conversation yet again.

EB... I'm sure you don't see it. But you're being spiritually abusive. If you're not being spiritually abusive... cease trying to be my pastor. This is only a discussion forum. You don't have to agree with me. I don't expect everyone to agree all the time. But I would appreciate it if we had enough Holy Ghost to respect one another as individuals even though we have some disagreements. If I need or want YOUR spiritual counsel, advice, or direction... I'll ask. Until then, you're out of line. And... I really wish the admins would do something to help you understand that this a forum that has always supported free and open discussion. It isn't a pastoral forum. And unsolicited pastoring is crass and tasteless.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I see this as the problem, when we attempt to do church like we see in the book of Acts there aren't any fellowships that are authentically "book of acts" Apostolic unless we are able to lead like Elders Esaias and Benincasa, or join a fellowship led by someone who is actually Apostolic.

Finding an authentic church that is "Apostolic" can be hard... but finding an authentic "Apostolic" house church (book of Acts church) can be extremely difficult.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

One has to become good at duck and cover if others are constantly taking shots at them. Especially when quite a bit is basely accusations made by people taking things out of context for the sheer purpose and enjoyment of attacking.



I just share my thoughts and experiences. I'm perfectly willing to agree to disagree. And, I have no reason to go personal when I do. However, certain individuals can't help but go personal because they can't bring themselves to simply agree to disagree and to respect the other individual regardless.



EB, sadly, the love of Christ isn't present in your posts to me. It's only you threatening Hell to someone you find disagreement with. Also, if you seriously cared about my soul, you'd spend far more time praying for me and befriending me than you do berating me, insulting me, and trying to run me off. So, I know everything you're saying is a bunch of malarkey.

Besides... I thought that this was a "discussion" forum? It isn't a pastoral support forum, pastoral counseling forum, or even a pastoral Q&A forum. I've never inquired of you to counsel, advise, or direct me. I've only wished to share my perspective of the various subjects being discussed here. For example, on this forum I've tried to stay on the topic, "worship". I've shared some thoughts on how I don't believe a brother should be berated for the kind of worship he prefers. I even mentioned something that I knew would be "red meat" for those who can't help but gnash against individuals they disagree with, just because I was tired of seeing them brow beat a brother over a music style he preferred and an idiom he chose to use. I knew they'd jump to conclusions before asking the important questions. The spirit they are of is all too predictable. And... it took the heat off Michael, who I felt didn't deserve the attack.

If you'd like to give pastoral advice, offer pastoral counsel, or participate in a pastoral Q&A, I'm sure I can find a link to such a forum for you, because you're way out of line when you go down this road. I know you don't see it this way, people such as yourself never do, but such is a form of spiritual abuse. You're not my pastor. Share your thoughts on the topics at hand. Share your agreement or disagreement with my thoughts. If I want your pastoral support, admonition, counsel, or advice, I'll ask it. Otherwise, keep it to yourself.

I imagine it like this. Let's say that this forum is a coffee shop. Many people are seated, having coffee, and various tables are discussing various topics. I join a table and listen. I decide to contribute to the conversation by sharing my thoughts, experiences, opinions, or whatever. Then suddenly, there you are, standing up and screaming at me about how I'm going to Hell, how I'm this and how I'm that. I ask you to settle down and relax, we're all just people sharing our opinions. But you just keep interrupting the flow of the conversation trying to counsel me instead of staying on topic. Other people begin leaving the table because as you shout at me, I'm trying to ask you to just be respectful and stick to the topic. A couple of your buddies sit there popping insults and calling names. They are goofily smiling and snickering, enjoying the opportunity to berate another. You give each other high fives and inside jokes along with the insults. Then, between the insults, you try to warn me of Hell and how I need to part my hair like yours or else. In the past, I've decided to changed tables. But, you find your way to that table and start pounding on the table and demanding I part my hair like yours or else. Then you even drag disagreements from other unrelated topics to the table until you've ruined the conversation yet again.

EB... I'm sure you don't see it. But you're being spiritually abusive. If you're not being spiritually abusive... cease trying to be my pastor. This is only a discussion forum. You don't have to agree with me. I don't expect everyone to agree all the time. But I would appreciate it if we had enough Holy Ghost to respect one another as individuals even though we have some disagreements. If I need or want YOUR spiritual counsel, advice, or direction... I'll ask. Until then, you're out of line. And... I really wish the admins would do something to help you understand that this a forum that has always supported free and open discussion. It isn't a pastoral forum. And unsolicited pastoring is crass and tasteless.

Chris, pastor you? Another deflection? No, no pastoring you, no warm foot rubs, or me telling you that everything will be alright in your present condition. Houston, Esaias, are they pastoring you when they tell you the truth? Like I said to Esaias, he says in one sentence what takes me an entire paragraph. Ndavid? Is he trying to pastor you? No, no one is, just telling you how the cow ate the cabbage. You again, say things to incite, you even know it when you post it. So you make yourself the lighting rod. How about this, work through it, and proceed forward. Place me on ignore, and never read anything I post about your posts.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I see this as the problem, when we attempt to do church like we see in the book of Acts there aren't any fellowships that are authentically "book of acts" Apostolic unless we are able to lead like Elders Esaias and Benincasa, or join a fellowship led by someone who is actually Apostolic.

He won’t do that because what he sees as a Book of Acts Church, is soaking wet.
He needs to return to his roots, and find someone his FAVORITE pastor would of approved.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Chris, pastor you? Another deflection? No, no pastoring you, no warm foot rubs, or me telling you that everything will be alright in your present condition. Houston, Esaias, are they pastoring you when they tell you the truth? Like I said to Esaias, he says in one sentence what takes me an entire paragraph. Ndavid? Is he trying to pastor you? No, no one is, just telling you how the cow ate the cabbage. You again, say things to incite, you even know it when you post it. So you make yourself the lighting rod. How about this, work through it, and proceed forward. Place me on ignore, and never read anything I post about your posts.

Okay, so where do I start? How do I get you guys off my back so that we can have some civil discussions around here? What is it that you'd like me to do?

[Esaias]

Aquila, nobody was attacking MTD because he likes a certain style of music. I challenged him on his equating music with spirituality of worship. I and others also pointed out the very real problems with IHOPs theology and practices. Then you came along and derailed the whole conversation into a personal thing. Always about YOU PERSONALLY.

You always do this. You're a typical "social justice warrior" communist beta cuck soyboy. Triggered by any disagreement with your ideas as if you yourself were being shipped to the gas ovens.

But notice what's behind all you silly girly boy antics: a distraction from the subject and the question "what does THE BIBLE say?" Like I said, your problems are bigger than you realize. And, no, AFF isn't going to solve them.

As for brother Michael, believe me, he doesn't need you to play white knight. He and I BOTH have a no-holds-barred view of certain things, we have known each other longer than YOU'VE been around these parts, and we get along just fine.

You need to "contemplate" why your posts and threads seem "centered" on the Outer Limits, psychism, witchcraft, ghosts, demons, etc instead of THE WORD.

As Houston said, dont even play off like you're gonna tell us what "old time Pentecost" is about. You left that, remember? You can't handle "old time Pentecost".

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You always do this. You're a typical "social justice warrior" communist beta cuck soyboy. Triggered by any disagreement with your ideas as if you yourself were being shipped to the gas ovens.

Spoken like Jesus Himself?