Apostoic worship??

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You described worship as prostration, falling prone before God. I asked if that is what you do in church and you indicated it is NOT what you do.

So, just to be clear, when you go to church, do you fall prone on your face for the duration of the worship portion? Or whenever a call to worship is given?

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Do you think there is something wrong when a person is not "in the Spirit" but are running, leaping, twirling out sheer, fleshly excitement over what the Lord can do in that moment or what He is about to do very soon?

Does a person have to be, "in the Spirit" for any of our praise and worship to be legitimate in the sight of God?

Esaias!

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[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I think he was using a figure of speech guys.

Obviously. I didn't believe he was being serious. Most people who poo poo demonstrative worship bring up that type of non-existent foolishness in an attempt to discourage any type of demonstrative worship.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Not that we need to be reminded, but there are plenty outside of Pentecost who have the same questions he has with some of the things that happen in our church services.

I would, too, if I saw someone swinging from a ceiling fan.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

One thing that gets me is the phenomenon when a lot of people are speaking in tongues at the same time as they praise and worship the Lord. I am just unsure how to present scripture that justifies this action to those who criticize Pentecostals from the outside.

There were critics on the day of Pentecost as well. People mocked and said they were drunk.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Even more problematic for me is when the preacher or whoever happens to be holding the mic speaks in tongues right into the mic as either a way to praise and worship the Lord and to bring strong emphasis to something that is said or happening in that moment.

I don't fault them for it. Sometimes you can't hold it in.

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Esaias

How can I prove you "wrong" if you are describing what you do? Am I going to pull up video of you and say "Aha! You are NOT prone during worship!"???? Seriously, I'm trying to understand what you are saying.

I do stand, I do sing, I do pray out loud. I do not however, run, jump, flail my self wildly .. especially at a command from the pulpit.

[n david]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

For clarity please read my comment about Exodus 34. And more on my thread topic, please show me an example of the apostles running, jumping, dancing etc etc

Originally Posted by TakingDominion

I know an old preacher by the name of Bro Holt who will, right in the middle of a white hot worship service, fall down suddenly on his hands and knees with his face pressed to the floor. He does it so fast, that the first time I saw it I thought he had taken a tumble. I've seen him do it many times and even while he's sitting on the platform.

Some may call it nonsense or silliness, but for him it's the only way he can show the love and appreciation that he feels for his Savior.

You may run, you may dance. You might shout, you might even sing. You may just slip a hand in the air and give an old fashioned wave offering. Whatever you, do it with everything you within you!

When I think of the goodness of Jesus, and all that he's done for me!

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by n david

Obviously. I didn't believe he was being serious. Most people who poo poo demonstrative worship bring up that type of non-existent foolishness in an attempt to discourage any type of demonstrative worship.


I would, too, if I saw someone swinging from a ceiling fan.


There were critics on the day of Pentecost as well. People mocked and said they were drunk.


I don't fault them for it. Sometimes you can't hold it in.

Can you provide scripture on why, on the day of Pentecost, the accusation was being drunk? It was not there physical action it was their speech!

[JoeBandy]

I am still waiting on scripture of one instance an apostle ran, jumped ,danced etc!

[consapente89]

JoeBandy....do you speak in tongues often??

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

I do stand, I do sing, I do pray out loud. I do not however, run, jump, flail my self wildly .. especially at a command from the pulpit.

But I thought you said the only thing people did in the presence of God was prostrate themselves? Biblically, that is. So why then do you not limit yourself to just prostration?

[n david]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

SO you don't agree with Matthew 18:20?

Let's review. You said:

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

This is where I disagree with you. The only criteria I find is where any two.....

I do agree with Matt 18:20.

I do NOT believe that there MUST be AT LEAST two or three for God to meet with us.

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Esaias

But I thought you said the only thing people did in the presence of God was prostrate themselves? Biblically, that is. So why then do you not limit yourself to just prostration?

Can you show me in scripture where IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD one does not fall or kneel?