Submission? Or Power and Control?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Amanah

people are pretty much already decided, it's best to just cut to the chase.

if you want to be meat for the vultures, by all means go ahead.

You've let down your hair, no pun intended ( ), and gotten bolder in your posts. Good on you, Girl! I thought there had to be a little thunder somewhere inside of you.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You've let down your hair, no pun intended ( ), and gotten bolder in your posts. Good on you, Girl! I thought there had to be a little thunder somewhere inside of you.

I thought that was a little bold for Amanah! Yep, a little thunder is good for the soul!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

PO - this has been sliced and diced many times on this forum.
Most of us have no reason to rehash it again.
Especially with ILG, whose primary goal in life is the destruction of the UPC.

I have been taught what ILG posts below. I have never read anyone specifically use scripture to back up or refute this claim on FCF, NFCF nor AFF.

On a bit of a side note: So, yesterday, and again today, I was viewing Ben Shapiro debate Cenk Uygur (Bernie Sanders supporter) on a new platform called Politicon in Los Angeles. At the end of the debate Twitter took a poll and Shapiro won by 95%.

I think that we, as Conservatives, need to adopt Ben's platform - "Facts don't care about your feelings."

One of the liberals (college student, hence the wording) listening to the event stated, "Dude, Ben Shapiro is actually pretty smart. I love how everything is centered in logic. I disagree with some of the things he says, but I find myself agreeing with him on other stuff."

So, I would like to emulate Brother Blume who comes to mind. He is the foremost poster who puts out scripture and facts without insult or injury, and I like that.

Someone needs to line out the scripture text, if it is there, on this one particular part - Is the "glory" of the angel's wings covering the Ark of the Covenant a type and shadow of the woman's long hair being her covering in the NT? I suppose some will say, "No, it is a headcovering". Regardless, is it a type and shadow, because I have heard, for myself, Anthony Mangun say that he believes that to be true?

My take on I Corinthians 11 is that verse 10, "For this cause..." points back to the order of creation and has nothing to do with the hair on our head. I believe that Daniel Segraves holds that view as well. We get to verses 14 and 15, which then gets into gender distinction on length.

BDB lines out which actual Hebrew word identifies with any given OT reference. I don't know a source that does that for the Greek in the NT. Thayers lays out 4 definitions and so I don't know which one is applicable to the passage for "power" in I Cor. 11:10

Originally Posted by ILG

“Women do not need the use of perversion to manipulate their surroundings. For God has given women a way to control their environment without sin. God put women in the middle for a reason….she has the unique ability to mediate and resolve problems. Yet many in-between women are not in control of their situations simply because they are ignorant of God’s endowment. When a woman submits to God’s precepts she will find a channel to glory…..He will make a way where there seems to be no way!”

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ILG

I thought that was a little bold for Amanah! Yep, a little thunder is good for the soul!

She is awesome. I am glad she is a poster here. Very level headed.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

She is awesome. I am glad she is a poster here. Very level headed.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I have been taught what ILG posts below. I have never read anyone specifically use scripture to back up or refute this claim on FCF, NFCF nor AFF.

On a bit of a side note: So, yesterday, and again today, I was viewing Ben Shapiro debate Cenk Uygur (Bernie Sanders supporter) on a new platform called Politicon in Los Angeles. At the end of the debate Twitter took a poll and Shapiro won by 95%.

I think that we, as Conservatives, need to adopt Ben's platform - "Facts don't care about your feelings."

One of the liberals (college student, hence the wording) listening to the event stated, "Dude, Ben Shapiro is actually pretty smart. I love how everything is centered in logic. I disagree with some of the things he says, but I find myself agreeing with him on other stuff."

So, I would like to emulate Brother Blume who comes to mind. He is the foremost poster who puts out scripture and facts without insult or injury, and I like that.

Someone needs to line out the scripture text, if it is there, on this one particular part - Is the "glory" of the angel's wings covering the Ark of the Covenant a type and shadow of the woman's long hair being her covering in the NT? I suppose some will say, "No, it is a headcovering". Regardless, is it a type and shadow, because I have heard, for myself, Anthony Mangun say that he believes that to be true?

My take on I Corinthians 11 is that verse 10, "For this cause..." points back to the order of creation and has nothing to do with the hair on our head. I believe that Daniel Segraves holds that view as well. We get to verses 14 and 15, which then gets into gender distinction on length.

BDB lines out which actual Hebrew word identifies with any given OT reference. I don't know a source that does that for the Greek in the NT. Thayers lays out 4 definitions and so I don't know which one is applicable to the passage for "power" in I Cor. 11:10

PO - as before stated, ILG does not want an honest debate.
Notice that she did not dispute my statement or ndavids that she is vehemently anti-UPC.
So, I see no point in engaging with her.
Now, let me say that the entire uncut hair equals special favor with God thing is not my viewpoint.
I do believe that there is power in submission and obedience, even for men.
But, ILG's entire focus is to spread doubt and disbelief in ANY doctrine espoused by the UPC.

[Amanah]

I think we need more female posters, the guys are rubbing off on me

most of the posters on AFF do not agree with some of the outlandish claims about hair giving women super powers.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

PO - as before stated, ILG does not want an honest debate.
Notice that she did not dispute my statement or ndavids that she is vehemently anti-UPC.
So, I see no point in engaging with her.
Now, let me say that the entire uncut hair equals special favor with God thing is not my viewpoint.
I do believe that there is power in submission and obedience, even for men.
But, ILG's entire focus is to spread doubt and disbelief in ANY doctrine espoused by the UPC.

I am probably speaking for ILG, but I believe that she doesn't want to engage in statements and neither do I. I want cold, hard, Biblical truth backed by scripture. Even if I don't believe or agree, I want scripture.

Why do you believe this and can you back it up? "ILG, I don't agree with this because I believe the scriptures are clear..." That seems relatively easy.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I think we need more female posters, the guys are rubbing off on me

Most of the posters on AFF do not agree with some of the outlandish claims about hair giving women super powers.

Agreed! If I did have that kind of power, I would....

[n david]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I think we need more female posters, the guys are rubbing off on me

Been hanging around threads with EB too long!

Originally Posted by Amanah

most of the posters on AFF do not agree with some of the outlandish claims about hair giving women super powers.

I don't believe in holy magic hair.

I do believe in Biblical submission and obedience.