Submission? Or Power and Control?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

BDB defines "cover" in Exodus 25:20 -verb overshadow, screen, cover - 1 screen, cover, usually co. עַלֿ of thing covered בְּ of covering Exodus 25:20

I will have to think about your view.

In any event, equating a woman's hair with cherubim over the mercy seat is a bit too much. I mean, what about the men?

lol

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Did I say that? No, I didn't. Never mind.

This is what you said: Warning and admonishing people not to sin because it brings on bad juju is not "setting a foundation of fear", as if this is a bad thing. The fear of the Lord is to hate evil, to depart from evil, to avoid what is contrary to God's will. That is a good thing. But the wicked do not have that fear of God, instead they think it's all "hellfire and damnation preaching to scare people into being mind control victims".

So, is a woman cutting her hair sin? Is it evil? Does it bring on bad juju?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Esaias

In any event, equating a woman's hair with cherubim over the mercy seat is a bit too much. I mean, what about the men?

lol

Completely agree.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esaias

In any event, equating a woman's hair with cherubim over the mercy seat is a bit too much. I mean, what about the men?

lol

Well, we do agree on that. The point on that issue is, if the man is the order after God, why would God place protection being the woman's place? It doesn't make sense. She would be usurping the man's authority, and that isn't going to fly.

20The cherubim will face each other and look down on the atonement cover. With their wings spread above it, they will protect it. (NLT)

20The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover. (NIV)

20The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be. (ESV)

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by houston

But do you believe that?

I believe what the Bible says. It is a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaved, her not having her head covered is the same as being shorn or shaved, if she won't be covered then let her be shorn, otherwise, let her be covered.

Long hair on a woman is a glory to her (looks good on her) and that is a lesson from nature that women ought to be covered when praying or prophesying.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by ILG

This is what you said: Warning and admonishing people not to sin because it brings on bad juju is not "setting a foundation of fear", as if this is a bad thing. The fear of the Lord is to hate evil, to depart from evil, to avoid what is contrary to God's will. That is a good thing. But the wicked do not have that fear of God, instead they think it's all "hellfire and damnation preaching to scare people into being mind control victims".

So, is a woman cutting her hair sin? Is it evil? Does it bring on bad juju?

The issue is "is warning about the consequences of sin setting a foundation of fear, and is it wrong to do that?"

THAT is what I addressed.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I believe what the Bible says. It is a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaved, her not having her head covered is the same as being shorn or shaved, if she won't be covered then let her be shorn, otherwise, let her be covered.

Long hair on a woman is a glory to her (looks good on her) and that is a lesson from nature that women ought to be covered when praying or prophesying.

Would the passage be suggesting that if she cuts her hair and wears it short like a man, she might as well cut her hair off? There is a strong emphasis on the man having short hair which is something he doesn't want the woman to have. what I am trying to say is I kind of think that as long as a woman's hair isn't cut short like a man, it would be long. History has always defined shoulder length hair as long.

I remember listening to Joyce Meyers, some time back, teaching about the passage not being about a woman needing to have long hair. I was kind of surprised that the audience didn't respond. It seemed they weren't sure what they thought about what she said. She moved on. lol! Just thought that was interesting.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The issue is "is warning about the consequences of sin setting a foundation of fear, and is it wrong to do that?"

THAT is what I addressed.

Okay, no, that isn't wrong-for real sin. But they set this foundation for a woman cutting her hair. Do you think that is right?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Would the passage be suggesting that if she cuts her hair and wears it short like a man, she might as well cut her hair off? There is a strong emphasis on the man having short hair which is something he doesn't want the woman to have. what I am trying to say is I kind of think that as long as a woman's hair isn't cut short like a man, it would be long. History has always defined shoulder length hair as long.

I remember listening to Joyce Meyers, some time back, teaching about the passage not being about a woman needing to have long hair. I was kind of surprised that the audience didn't respond. It seemed they weren't sure what they thought about what she said. She moved on. lol! Just thought that was interesting.

If a woman be not covered-let her also be shorn.........shorn is like a military haircut. Shaved is completely removed.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Would the passage be suggesting that if she cuts her hair and wears it short like a man, she might as well cut her hair off?

No. He is talking about being covered or not, and then says being uncovered is the same as being shaven.

There is a strong emphasis on the man having short hair which is something he doesn't want the woman to have.

Out of 16 verses in his teaching, Paul only mentions a man's hair once, saying nature teaches us long hair on a man is no good. Therefore, there is NOT a "strong emphasis" on men having short hair. In fact, there is no "strong emphasis" on hair at all except that a woman praying uncovered is as spiritually shameful as a woman having her hair shaved or shorn off is naturally shameful.

what I am trying to say is I kind of think that as long as a woman's hair isn't cut short like a man, it would be long. History has always defined shoulder length hair as long.

Historically, women did not cut or trim their hair at all, except for high society "fashionable" types in the medieval-renaissance period who took to shaving their foreheads and dyeing their hair red, blue, green, purple, etc.

I remember listening to Joyce Meyers,

I'm sorry. I try to forget ever having heard her "teaching".