Word of knowledge?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by houston

We can all hold dolls and see what we see.

Hey! LOL

In hind sight, I could have handled that differently. Touché. lol

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Thank you!

Now, how may the church differentiate between a word or message of knowledge from either attempted divination or chicanery?

I believe it is through the same principle noted here:

Deut 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I believe it is through the same principle noted here:

Deut 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Don't we have an advantage by having the Spirit of God present in us to guide and direct us? IOW, do we always have to wait and see if that thing comes to pass before we pronounce or recognize whether this person is a false prophet or not? I would say that there are times that test our faith, and times when we are made very well aware in order to ward off any damage at the outset. I don't believe all things are the same as under the OT.

The Lord gave me a word about a preacher who would fall. Ten years later he did fall. So, that is a warning from the Spirit of God? It it not? IOW, I didn't have to put my trust in the man only to later find out the truth of things.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Don't we have an advantage by having the Spirit of God present in us to guide and direct us? IOW, do we always have to wait and see if that thing comes to pass before we pronounce or recognize whether this person is a false prophet or not? I would say that there are times that test our faith, and times when we are made very well aware in order to ward off any damage at the outset. I don't believe all things are the same as under the OT.

The Lord gave me a word about a preacher who would fall. Ten years later he did fall. So, that is a warning from the Spirit of God? It it not? IOW, I didn't have to put my trust in the man only to later find out the truth of things.

That verse in Deut is saying IF IT DOES come to pass... the way to determine its origin is to see if it brings glory to God or not. So, I think that covers it.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That verse in Deut is saying IF IT DOES come to pass... the way to determine its origin is to see if it brings glory to God or not. So, I think that covers it.

Yes, but Deut is talking about following after pagan Gods. I didn't think that is what Esaias was referring to. Wasn't he specifically talking about an abuse of the gifts, especially the Gift of Knowledge? What would that have to do with following pagan gods?

[Amanah]

if someone was speaking a word of knowledge into my life, I would look for the following:

* someone who is exalting Jesus and walking in the love of God 1 Cor 13 and not puffed up and exalting themselves as Simon in Acts 8

* are they speaking something that resonates with my situation that aligns with the word of God Ephesians 4:11-16

* someone I know who has a proven ministry 1 Thess 5:12-21

* and I most certainly would not listen to anyone who is trying to tear others down Romans 14:13-19 Romans 15:1-3

I think people who are trying to tear down instead of edify should be strongly resisted and discredited, not mollified and compromised with.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Yes, but Deut is talking about following after pagan Gods. I didn't think that is what Esaias was referring to. Wasn't he specifically talking about an abuse of the gifts, especially the Gift of Knowledge? What would that have to do with following pagan gods?

It's the principle I referred to. The way to test if a prophet is of God or not is to see if He causes one to bring glory to the one true God. Using that principle, if the word of knowledge comes from a person and is true, like a prophecy coming to pass, and the person really does "read another person's mail," if it does not bring glory to God then it is not God. That's what he was wondering about -- whether it's of God or not.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It's the principle I referred to. The way to test if a prophet is of God or not is to see if He causes one to bring glory to the one true God. Using that principle, if the word of knowledge comes from a person and is true, like a prophecy coming to pass, and the person really does "read another person's mail," if it does not bring glory to God then it is not God. That's what he was wondering about -- whether it's of God or not.

Thanks for the clarification. Agreed! Makes me think a thread could be started about "principle" of things in the Bible.

[Spiritwarrior]

I haven't been told I have the Word of Knowledge but I've wondered.

one day I was listening to a question about something that wasn't working and they couldn't get it to work, when out of my mouth came out a reply that even amazed me. I didn't know anything about what they were talking about. I knew it had to be from God.

No I can't read and don't want to read any ones mail.
It's like a knowledge of things that I know nothing about. It has happened more than once. and it's always solutions to problems. Do I have this Gift? I don't know, either way Thank you Lord.

We always want to be needed and do things for the Lord.
Here I am Lord, Use me in whatever way You Want!

If anyone has an insight into the gifts I'd love to hear them. Especially if you have this gift.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Spiritwarrior

I haven't been told I have the Word of Knowledge but I've wondered.

one day I was listening to a question about something that wasn't working and they couldn't get it to work, when out of my mouth came out a reply that even amazed me. I didn't know anything about what they were talking about. I knew it had to be from God.

No I can't read and don't want to read any ones mail.
It's like a knowledge of things that I know nothing about. It has happened more than once. and it's always solutions to problems. Do I have this Gift? I don't know, either way Thank you Lord.

We always want to be needed and do things for the Lord.
Here I am Lord, Use me in whatever way You Want!

If anyone has an insight into the gifts I'd love to hear them. Especially if you have this gift.

I think God may use us in the gifts as the needs arises and as he sees fit. It could mean that we are not used continually but only occasionally.

He may also choose you to speak to someone because he knows they are receptive to hearing from you.

1 Cor 12:1-7

12..Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2..Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3..Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4..Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5..And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6..And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7..But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.