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Old 08-25-2017, 06:35 PM
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Re: Historical Accounts & Context for Black Traito

Orig - just as I said to JD, I believe it is important for you to be able to agree to disagree.
I understand you believe in your side and he believes in his.
And as I stated before, not even historians agree on this issue.
(The cause of the war)
So, it is not "cut and dried".
Now, I have to get to my weekend!
Hope you have a great one!
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Old 08-25-2017, 06:40 PM
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Re: Historical Accounts & Context for Black Traito

the sad thing is that had the current rate of slaves being freed continued before the war, slavery would have died out very quickly with no blood spilled.

If it was only about slavery, why is it that England ended slavery with no civil war?

England ended slavery by buying the slaves from the slave owners and prohibiting the practice from continuing without a shot fired against another Englishman by an Englishman.

You're telling me that it was all about slavery and that Lincoln was so bloodthirsty that he didnt seek to end the conflict by simply buying their freedom?

Surely that would have been much less costly in lives lost, property destroyed and money.
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Old 08-26-2017, 09:14 AM
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Why is this ignored?

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Old 08-26-2017, 09:15 AM
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Why is this ignored?

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Old 08-29-2017, 12:57 PM
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Sorry, the link did not work correctly.

It is ignored because it does not have very much to do with the "peculiar institution" of American slavery.
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I'm sorry for the injustices your people suffered. But I will not apologize for what my ancestors did for me so that I would not have to endure what we are enduring now, the total destruction of the American way of life.
So, in the context of this conversation, are you stating that your ancestors participated in slavery and you are glad that your ancestors participated in slavery?

If the American way of life was built (in sizable part) on the backs of slaves and the concept of white supremacy, when will those who suffered under such evils recover from the several hundred years of slavery and white supremacy?

Or do you think that the suffering and the results of all that evil will just be nullified in a couple decades?

Do you think the complete destruction of a people's sense of identity, the denial of the basic inalienable rights granted by God to all humans, the hundreds of years of nearly wholesale rejection by the country who stripped you of your identity in the first place-- do you really think that the people and their ancestors will simply, "recover all and move on" in a matter of decades?

Do you think that the country who perpetrated such evils on a people should just whitewash what was done and act like their actions have absolutely no bearing on the contemporary realities of that country?
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The first person to die for the freedom of this country was a black man.

The last person to be free in this country is a black man.

The ironic history of this nation I love, my country, my home.
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This land was stolen from my ancestors.
Well, part of my ancestors, anyway.
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This land was stolen from my ancestors.
Well, part of my ancestors, anyway.
I understand, but most people are not glad, proud, etc of the things that happened during that time period.
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Old 08-29-2017, 05:21 PM
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The first person to die for the freedom of this country was a black man.

The last person to be free in this country is a black man.

The ironic history of this nation I love, my country, my home.
The first person murdered by John Brown and his "slave liberators" at Harpers Ferry was a black man.
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