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Old 09-19-2017, 09:43 PM
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Re: Destination Heaven?

I really need to get to sleep. 5:30a.m. comes sooner than I'd prefer. Not complaining! Not at all. Really enjoying these 12 hour shifts! I'm very thankful for this job.


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Old 09-19-2017, 09:45 PM
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I believe heaven is not meant to be our permanent home whatsoever. Temporal only. Not permanent.
Psalms 115:16 KJV The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.
Mankind was created to live on the earth without death. I believe the death he took upon himself by sinning was both spiritual and physical. The Hebrew says God's warning, should he eat of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, was in dying thou shalt die.

Genesis 2:17 KJV But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 2:17 LITV but of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you may not eat, for in the day that you eat of it, dying you shall die.

And the death Adam brought on mankind in Romans 5 is answered and remedied by the death Jesus died into which we must be baptized in Romans 6 so as to claim His death as fulfilling our required deaths. And since He died physically in order to remedy our deaths, that means our required deaths have to include physical death.

Romans 5:12 KJV Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 6:3 KJV Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Romans 6:6-7 KJV Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. (7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.

So sin is clearly remedied by physical death, because Christ took the penalty we were meant to take, thus removing it from us.

And here we read the death we were meant to suffer was the reason Jesus died, to take it as us, so as to leave us as those who paid the debt through Him, not requiring us to pay it again.

Hebrews 9:27-28 KJV And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (28) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

That being said, man was meant to live forever on earth before he sinned. And when he sinned, God set out to save us and restore us. Salvation is restoration to get us back on the original track and purpose. We are not given a PLAN B that is totally different from the original plan for Adam before his sin. Adam was not meant to die and go to heaven. So, salvation restores us to Adam's purpose of ruling on this earth forever.

And this is where the original passages I quoted comes into play.
Psalms 115:16 KJV The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.
Even after man sinned, and people die and go to heaven, heaven is still NOT OURS. It is God's. The EARTH is ours. We're meant to be here.

So, when we die we temporarily go to Heaven until we get the resurrection bodies that are actually a restored version of what Adam had before sin. And bodies are not made for heaven, because we don't need them to go to heaven when we die today. They are EARTH SUITS. Physical-realm suits. God meant for us to forever be the material version of what He is in heaven. King and ruler. And God created the physical universe while He, Himself, is not physical whatsoever.

Jesus as Son of God only existed as SON because sin entered the equation and had to be remedied as well as our need to have a SECOND ADAM. Otherwise God would never have manifested in flesh as Christ. But rather than have Adam as head now, Christ Himself is become our "ADAM." God in flesh is a better "Adam," anyway!

And so after the resurrection, when we have our immortal bodies and death does not exist IN ANY FORM ANY MORE, we will be back on the earth forever and ruling it as Adam was meant to. And God will fill us as He would have filled Adam had he eaten of the fruit of Life, so God would manifest through us and co-rule the world with us.

God made man to be both spiritual and natural because God, Who is a Spirit, wants to indwell man in the natural realm and manifest through us to affect the natural realm as though he, Himself, were naturally made. But the added benefit is that He has US WITH HIM now, whom He loves! He was all alone before that.
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:41 PM
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There is a poster on this forum who believes that you will eat fruit and leaves in heaven. You will also constantly use the toilet because of the steady diet of roughage.
Wow, just wow.
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There's also a big big yard where we can play football
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Wow, just wow.
I am sorry, but there is a poster who believes that Revelation 22:2 is speaking of the menu in heaven. He gets upset when anyone tells him that this is symbolic and not literal. That it is John reminding his Diaspora readers about Ezekiel 47:7, but including the Great City as the central part of the vision.

The poster tells us that we will get sick in heaven (probably from eating too much fruit) and that we will eating the leaves which have medicinal qualities.

I asked the poster in the Eschatology section that if we are consuming food in heaven, wouldn't we also be going to the latrine? Hence my post about BMs in heaven.
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Old 09-20-2017, 07:36 AM
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Is this the alternative?....


7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit(FAKE NEWS SPIRIT) saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat(FAKE FOOD) of the tree(FAKE TREE) of life, which is in the midst of the paradise(FAKE PARADISE) of God


So the Spirit of God is as fake news Spirit?

It just lied here?
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Old 09-20-2017, 07:38 AM
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More fake news by the fake news Spirit?.....


17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat(FAKE MANNA) of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone(FAKE STONE), and in the stone a new name(FAKE NAME) written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
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Old 09-20-2017, 07:41 AM
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All because a carnal mind cannot digest Spiritual things....


If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?


Jesus has heavenly food for the saints to eat.

It requires no outhouses.....LOL
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Old 09-20-2017, 07:42 AM
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You use your words very carelessly as you attack the brethren. They answer your questions. You claim they hold a position that they don't, and you attack that.

Woe unto you...
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Old 09-20-2017, 07:43 AM
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The poster tells us that we will get sick in heaven (probably from eating too much fruit) and that we will eating the leaves which have medicinal qualities.

I asked the poster in the Eschatology section that if we are consuming food in heaven, wouldn't we also be going to the latrine? Hence my post about BMs in heaven.

Right houston, give him an ear full of his fake news.
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