Apparent mass shooting on Las Vegas Strip - Page 11

Jito463 · #**101** 10-05-2017, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

They're not pulling the trigger over and over.

That's just it, they ARE pulling the trigger over and over. It's just handled by the bump stock. Every time the gun recoils, the pressure pushes it back (which releases the trigger), and when the stock pushes the gun forward again it automatically pulls the trigger again so long as your finger hasn't released it.

It may give the appearance of full auto - one could even argue it is effectively the same as full auto - but it is not actually full auto. By definition, a fully automatic weapon internally allows you to continue firing without releasing the trigger (it is a very specific mechanism design that is classified as fully automatic). A bump stock simply allows the trigger to be pulled repeatedly. Similar effect, completely different implementations (for one, a bump stock has much more recoil to deal with).

Words mean things, and definitions don't change just because you're confused about their meaning.

aegsm76 · #**102** 10-05-2017, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by aegsm76

Here is a good short article on the difference between bump stocks, semi-autos and autos.
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...vegas-gun.html

Repost for those who are interested.
The sound clips are interesting.

houston · #**103** 10-05-2017, 07:20 AM

Look at all these gun experts

n david · #**104** 10-05-2017, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jito463

That's just it, they ARE pulling the trigger over and over. It's just handled by the bump stock. Every time the gun recoils, the pressure pushes it back (which releases the trigger), and when the stock pushes the gun forward again it automatically pulls the trigger again so long as your finger hasn't released it.

It may give the appearance of full auto - one could even argue it is effectively the same as full auto - but it is not actually full auto. By definition, a fully automatic weapon internally allows you to continue firing without releasing the trigger (it is a very specific mechanism design that is classified as fully automatic). A bump stock simply allows the trigger to be pulled repeatedly. Similar effect, completely different implementations (for one, a bump stock has much more recoil to deal with).

Words mean things, and definitions don't change just because you're confused about their meaning.

Don't be an arrogant jerk like the other poster. I don't need a lesson on how they work or definitions. I know how it works.

I'm not confused about anything. You're arguing semantics. You're arguing that the bump stock is repeatedly pulling the trigger, ergo not a true full auto. It's true that the bump stock is doing the work, but the person firing the gun is not. It has the same effect, albeit slower cyclic rate, as a full auto. Set as semi auto, one trigger pull, one round. Set as full auto, one trigger pull, it will fire until released or until you run out of rounds.

I've talked with guys who have used these, to the person firing, there is little difference between using the bump stock set on full auto and using a fully automatic rifle. It's similar in that the person does not have to pull the trigger repeatedly, as the video I posted clearly shows.

Jermyn Davidson · #**105** 10-05-2017, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jito463

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Words mean things, and definitions don't change just because you're confused about their meaning.

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Originally Posted by n david

Don't be an arrogant jerk...

I know how it works.

n david · #**106** 10-05-2017, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jito463

That's just it, they ARE pulling the trigger over and over.

No, THEY are not.

https://youtu.be/U7DTjSla-O8?t=3m06s

SHE is not pulling the trigger over and over.

Clearly you are confused. Words mean things and stuff like that.

Aquila · #**107** 10-05-2017, 10:46 AM

I'm not a legal expert on this, so please excuse me if I'm mistaken about anything in this post.

If there is a ban on automatic assault weapons, why are bump stocks legal? After all, they essentially modify a weapon to fire much the same as a fully automatic assault weapon.

n david · #**108** 10-05-2017, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm not a legal expert on this, so please excuse me if I'm mistaken about anything in this post.

If there is a ban on automatic assault weapons, why are bump stocks legal? After all, they essentially modify a weapon to fire much the same as a fully automatic assault weapon.

Because it "does not technically alter the trigger mechanism," per the ATF agent who signed off on the recommendation to allow the stock.

Aquila · #**109** 10-05-2017, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

Because it "does not technically alter the trigger mechanism," per the ATF agent who signed off on the recommendation to allow the stock.

Maybe legislators should revisit the legality of the bump stock.

n david · #**110** 10-05-2017, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Maybe legislators should revisit the legality of the bump stock.

Per what I've read on Twitter, if a bill was written today to just ban bump stocks, it would pass. With a lot of GOP support. TX Rep Bill Flores-R is the one who I believe is drafting a bill to do just that.