Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

[n david]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Was God beating Stephen when he was stoned, or James when he was murdered?

Was God beating Israel when they were present during the plagues in Egypt?

Sorry, but I just don't get this "wife-beater" accusation.

1) Stephen wasn't receiving God's wrath. You don't understand this. I posted this earlier when you stated Sean "wasn't worthy" to be persecuted for His name sake. Revelation's Great Tribulation is not persecution of man - it's the great and terrible wrath of God. Post-trib claims the church will be made to endure the wrath of God. If that's the case, it means God will pour out His wrath, not only on sinners, but on His bride. Really? I simply don't believe it. Nowhere in the Bible did God do this previously. But yet we're being ridiculed and called every name in the book because we don't believe God will pour out His wrath on His bride.

2) Israel was present in Goshen, but they did not experience His wrath.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by n david

1) Stephen wasn't receiving God's wrath. You don't understand this. I posted this earlier when you stated Sean "wasn't worthy" to be persecuted for His name sake. Revelation's Great Tribulation is not persecution of man - it's the great and terrible wrath of God. Post-trib claims the church will be made to endure the wrath of God. If that's the case, it means God will pour out His wrath, not only on sinners, but on His bride. Really? I simply don't believe it. Nowhere in the Bible did God do this previously. But yet we're being ridiculed and called every name in the book because we don't believe God will pour out His wrath on His bride.


This is a common misconception of the post-trib position. I used to make the same claim when I was pre-trib. But I realize now I was wrong. The post-trib position is that the Tribulation is not a period of constant wrath. The wrath comes AFTER the Tribulation. Thus, we do not believe that the church endures the wrath of God. Within post-trib eschatology there are varying opinions on just how long the wrath lasts, but the consensus is that it is a brief period of time.

2) Israel was present in Goshen, but they did not experience His wrath.

Nor will the church. As Israel was protected, so will we be protected. It is fine to disagree with the post-trib position, but one should not mischaracterize it after having learned the actual position.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

Did you beat your wife last night?

You know, I GUARANTEE you don't talk like this in person.

Hope you grow up, Snowflake. Just be careful in the real world, people like you have a habit of letting their smart mouths write checks their hind ends can't cash.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You know, I GUARANTEE you don't talk like this in person.

Hope you grow up, Snowflake. Just be careful in the real world, people like you have a habit of letting their smart mouths write checks their hind ends can't cash.

What if nDavid is 6'7" and ripped.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Sean

What if nDavid is 6'7" and ripped.

No, I'm not 6'7" or ripped. I just have the sometimes unfortunate attitude of "I don't give a care." Especially when someone is mouthing off, calling names, etc.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You know, I GUARANTEE you don't talk like this in person.

Hope you grow up, Snowflake. Just be careful in the real world, people like you have a habit of letting their smart mouths write checks their hind ends can't cash.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by n david

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You know, I GUARANTEE you don't talk like this in person.

Oh, you "guarantee" I don't, eh? Here's the thing, what I post online is what I would say to a person, face to face.

Originally Posted by Esaias

Hope you grow up, Snowflake. Just be careful in the real world, people like you have a habit of letting their smart mouths write checks their hind ends can't cash.

Are you really trying to scare me with this stupid threat? Kick rocks, dude. You don't scare me.

Pathetic. You condemn thousands to hell over your personal interpretation of scripture, but get mad and issue threats when someone pushes back.

What a loser.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You know, I GUARANTEE you don't talk like this in person.

Hope you grow up, Snowflake. Just be careful in the real world, people like you have a habit of letting their smart mouths write checks their hind ends can't cash.

What's funny is you wouldn't stand in a room full of pre-trib ministers and call them the names you've used in your posts: Cultists. Mind control cult. Heretics. Pushers of false doctrine. Damnable heretics. Damned. Condemned.

And I guarantee (to use your arrogance) you wouldn't d amn and condemn them to hell to their face. You'll post it, but no way would you stand in a room full of ministers and condemn them to hell.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

What's funny is you wouldn't stand in a room full of pre-trib ministers and call them the names you've used in your posts: Cultists. Mind control cult. Heretics. Pushers of false doctrine. Damnable heretics. Damned. Condemned.

And I guarantee (to use your arrogance) you wouldn't d amn and condemn them to hell to their face. You'll post it, but no way would you stand in a room full of ministers and condemn them to hell.

I don't "condemn (anyone) to hell", Snowflake. I just state what the Scriptures state.

And, yes, I've been booted from churches before for publicly exposing doctrinal error and its consequences. I've also had my share of conversations with ministers concerning the consequences of heretical doctrines. It's been only a few times, as I generally don't fellowship with heretics if I can help it. And my conversations with them have sometimes been - LITERALLY - with tears streaming down my face as I pleaded with them to believe the Scriptures and let go of man made traditions.

Aren't you a music director or something? That might explain your weird reactions to various things.