Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Esaias

People can whine all they want but the facts remain:

Pre trib rapture doctrine is a heresy.
People who believe and promote heresies are heretics.
Heresies are a work of the flesh.
Those who "do them" will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Therefore, pre trib rapturists will not inherit the kingdom of God.

"Oh, that's MEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!"

One of the biggest evidences that pre trib rapture teaching is malarkey false doctrine is the overall responses from the resident pre tribbers.

It is easy for you to say from your abandoned govt. bomb shelter deep underground.


I hope you will let Michael and Originalist in your "ark" when the antichrist makes war with you guys and overcomes you guys.

[Michael The Disciple]

Most end time teaching is rather lean when it comes to what is happening in its wider scope. It is almost always cast in the light of how horrific it will be for the saints living at that time. Well I understand and embrace the truth of that.

Yet there is another side of the story. During this time it will be all out war between the army of God and the armies of the devil. If we look at what happens when the 7 trumpets are blowing we can see all throughout that the great and glorious Jesus Christ is at work killing multitudes of sinners!

One third of all men are killed just when the 6th angel sounds. That would be BILLIONS OF SINNERS killed by our God and Savior at one shot of his judgment!

Not to even mention the sinners that will be killed through the prophetic ministry of the two witnesses.

It will be all out war with God probably killing more of the wicked than what the man of sin kills of us.

The idea that God cannot inflict tribulation and wrath on the wicked until Christians are removed from the Earth is very deceptive.

Noah's world was destroyed without him ever leaving it. That is the best and only example we have of what happens when the world as we know it is being destroyed.

When Paul says he delivers us from the wrath to come he is thinking of the wrath of Hell fire. That will be far more fearsome wrath than the plagues during the trib.

Obviously wrath comes in degree. The wrath one experiences on Earth will truly be wrath. But it will not be the degree of being cast into the fires of Gehenna.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Most end time teaching is rather lean when it comes to what is happening in its wider scope. It is almost always cast in the light of how horrific it will be for the saints living at that time. Well I understand and embrace the truth of that.

Yet there is another side of the story. During this time it will be all out war between the army of God and the armies of the devil. If we look at what happens when the 7 trumpets are blowing we can see all throughout that the great and glorious Jesus Christ is at work killing multitudes of sinners!

One third of all men are killed just when the 6th angel sounds. That would be BILLIONS OF SINNERS killed by our God and Savior at one shot of his judgment!

Not to even mention the sinners that will be killed through the prophetic ministry of the two witnesses.

It will be all out war with God probably killing more of the wicked than what the man of sin kills of us.

The idea that God cannot inflict tribulation and wrath on the wicked until Christians are removed from the Earth is very deceptive.

Noah's world was destroyed without him ever leaving it. That is the best and only example we have of what happens when the world as we know it is being destroyed.

When Paul says he delivers us from the wrath to come he is thinking of the wrath of Hell fire. That will be far more fearsome wrath than the plagues during the trib.

Obviously wrath comes in degree. The wrath one experiences on Earth will truly be wrath. But it will not be the degree of being cast into the fires of Gehenna.

If the Trib is a 7 year period of cataclysmic wrath that begins in Chapter 6, then how could there even be a functioning society? There would be nothing for the Anti-Christ to reign over. One major,yet localized catastrophe in the present time, like a city being destroyed by nuclear terrorism, would bring the world economy to its knees. Imagine dozens of them happening at the same time for 7 years. But the fools who insist that Revelation is written in chronological order don't seem to grasp this.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

If the Trib is a 7 year period of cataclysmic wrath that begins in Chapter 6, then how could there even be a functioning society? There would be nothing for the Anti-Christ to reign over. One major,yet localized catastrophe in the present time, like a city being destroyed by nuclear terrorism, would bring the world economy to its knees. Imagine dozens of them happening at the same time for 7 years. But the fools who insist that Revelation is written in chronological order don't seem to grasp this.

Better than thinking that the end of the world is found in Chapter 1(post tribbers read the book backwards)....LOL

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

Better than thinking that the end of the world is found in Chapter 1(post tribbers read the book backwards)....LOL

It is. Chapter 6 of Revelation is an overview, just as Genesis 1 is an overview of creation with more details coming in later chapters of Genesis. If you insist that the events in Revelation 6 are at the beginning of the Trib, then there would not be anything left for the Anti-Christ to rule.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

It is. Chapter 6 of Revelation is an overview, just as Genesis 1 is an overview of creation with more details coming in later chapters of Genesis. If you insist that the events in Revelation 6 are at the beginning of the Trib, then there would not be anything left for the Anti-Christ to rule.

Nah, more events after chapter 6. Your calculations are incorrect.

[Sean]

God saved Noah and his family from physical destruction, but will not save His bride from physical destruction?


This makes the comparison Jesus used in Matt. null and void.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

God saved Noah and his family from physical destruction, but will not save His bride from physical destruction?


This makes the comparison Jesus used in Matt. null and void.

We will be saved of the destruction of God's wrath. But we are PROMISED that we will not always escape physical destruction from persecution.

[Sean]

One third of all men are killed just when the 6th angel sounds. That would be BILLIONS OF SINNERS killed by our God and Savior at one shot of his judgment!

I can see the living saints now, burying all the bodies of these billions and foraging for their existence for years......not.

[Sean]

I can see the living saints now, burying all the bodies of these billions and foraging for their existence for years......not.
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Michael, Esaias and Originalist.

Do you guys work for mortuary's?

If so, you should set up a system now called the "Grave Diggers Church".




LOL