The Pioneer School - Lesson 5 "Preach and Heal"

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I watched the first video. Very impressive.

Yes!
What do you think about such a movement, brother Michael?

[TyronePalmer]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I agree with Tyrone to a point. Its obvious there is an anointing on Apostles that is greater than the "average" believer. They will get more spectacular results.

But dont let that stop us from praying for people. We will also get results. If a healing happens of headaches, arthritis conditions or any thing that causes someone pain thats a good thing!

Praise God we have seen various diseases healed by Jesus.

I agree Mike, but many times people get caught up in signs and wonders just like in Jesus day, but don't care about the salvation of their souls!

God worked through Jesus and the apostles to heal hundreds, maybe thousands of people, but how many of those healed truly gave their souls to Jesus afterward?

So you can have mighty works of healing being done or a simple headache healed, but the soul of the person is never touched, even though the body is made well.

I'm just weary of anyone who comes along with the same circus, look at me were healing people, we're baptizing people, etc.... if you want me to believe you are called to heal and preach, then do what Jesus did, proclaim the gospel of the kingdom, cast out demons, raise the dead, cleanse the lepors.

Show me the video of Torben going into a leprosy camp and healing them all with just a touch of his finger or a word spoken from his mouth without touching them at all. That's what Jesus and the apostles did, and then they dealt with the soul of the person, give me the whole counsel of God!

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by peter83

Yes!
What do you think about such a movement, brother Michael?

It is of God. The man is MOVING WITH GOD. He has come a long way from where he started. If and when men cease MOVING toward God that movement is no longer a "movement".

[TyronePalmer]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

It is of God. The man is MOVING WITH GOD. He has come a long way from where he started. If and when men cease MOVING toward God that movement is no longer a "movement".

Hey Mike you should check out this video, you may change your mind about Torben and the last reformation movement. I don't agree with all the woman who used to be a hypnotist says, but she puts together a few videos that makes a great case against Torben, including using some Darren Brown clips. The shortened leg trick is definitely exposed!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Torben Søndergaard?

Seriously?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by consapente89

So?

Torben Søndergaard?????

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TyronePalmer

Hey Mike you should check out this video, you may change your mind about Torben and the last reformation movement. I don't agree with all the woman who used to be a hypnotist says, but she puts together a few videos that makes a great case against Torben, including using some Darren Brown clips. The shortened leg trick is definitely exposed!

TP, do you believe in speaking in tongues?

[TyronePalmer]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

TP, do you believe in speaking in tongues?

Sure do! Started speaking in tongues when I was baptized in the Holy Spirit ten years ago! Praise the Lord!

[Michael The Disciple]

According to this video the entire Pentecostal/Charismatic movement is not of God. Tongues, healing is all just fakery. I have to much experience in God to be interested in THEIR MOVEMENT.

I have seen the guy who made the video before. I would like to have a link to his channel.

As far as the WAY Torben or others pray for people is between them and God. I ask are people truly being healed? Are they truly repenting? Are they being baptized in Jesus name? Are they receiving the Holy Spirit?

Does all of this lead to people living for Jesus? Obedience to his word? Spending time with him in the secret place?

Believe me Ty I have seen fakery and disobedience and fleshly manifestations many times. I believe myself that much Charismatic/Pentecostal stuff is not of the Spirit.

It is hard to judge Torben or others because we are not there to see the fruit of their lives. So for the moment I would side with him before taking the word of one who seems to reject ANY manifestation of the gifts.

The woman calls him a hypnotist but questions whether he knows he is?

Ty do you believe in speaking in tongues? Practice it?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

According to this video the entire Pentecostal/Charismatic movement is not of God. Tongues, healing is all just fakery. I have to much experience in God to be interested in THEIR MOVEMENT.

I have seen the guy who made the video before. I would like to have a link to his channel.

As far as the WAY Torben or others pray for people is between them and God. I ask are people truly being healed? Are they truly repenting? Are they being baptized in Jesus name? Are they receiving the Holy Spirit?

Does all of this lead to people living for Jesus? Obedience to his word? Spending time with him in the secret place?

Believe me Ty I have seen fakery and disobedience and fleshly manifestations many times. I believe myself that much Charismatic/Pentecostal stuff is not of the Spirit.

It is hard to judge Torben or others because we are not there to see the fruit of their lives. So for the moment I would side with him before taking the word of one who seems to reject ANY manifestation of the gifts.

The woman calls him a hypnotist but questions whether he knows he is?

Ty do you believe in speaking in tongues? Practice it?

Methinks there is much reason in this post.