The Gates of Hell?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

In the other thread an idea was put forward: Jesus said the gates of hell would not prevail against the church, and this means there would be a continuous, visible, historically identifiable church on the earth for all time from the apostles' days to the present. (By the term "church" I mean an assembly of truly regenerate believers holding correct doctrine regarding salvation.)

I deny that is what Jesus meant.

I challenge those who believe that to come here and prove it. Prove that the gates of hell not prevailing against the church = a continuous, visible, historical church from the 1st century till now, and identify that church for us.

Then, I will refute your argument(s). In the process, I will prove what He meant, from Scripture.

Gee, I always thought that Jesus was talking about the resurrection from the grave. That the gates of the grave would not prevent the called out ones from continuing in eternal life.

I guess Aquila will let me know if I'm right.

Maybe after he kills another six pack?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Gee, I always thought that Jesus was talking about the resurrection from the grave. That the gates of the grave would not prevent the called out ones from continuing in eternal life.

I guess Aquila will let me know if I'm right.

Maybe after he kills another six pack?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I don't believe we'd see a continuous, visible, historically identifiable church. Christ's church is Spiritual. I'd expect to see men within the historic visible, apostate, church persecuted for those very definable doctrines of Apostolic Pentecost. I'd also expect to see many divergent groups of various sizes coalescing around those very definable doctrines of Apostolic Pentecost. They would hold true doctrine, and maintain it until destroyed. But more would reemerge in very generation. Some might form close knit alliances to survive persecution. They would have also preserved and translated their Scriptures, maybe having a couple unique translations in competition with that of the Reformers. They would have even countered the Reformers during the Reformation, pleading that they embrace truth. We'd see this pattern of splinter groups, and maybe a couple older, more enduring groups, alive and well all the way up until the 1900's. The movement in the US would have been supported by them and would have beened welcomed among their number.

Not a single century would have passed without a solid witness of truth from many groups, holding Apostolic doctrine.

Wow, are you bipolar.

Or should I ask how many people use your account?

Ndavid you were right

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Since you don't want to support the claim, please don't spam the thread with one liners, like You Know Who.

Okay. Lol

Who is JamesGlen?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Gee, I always thought that Jesus was talking about the resurrection from the grave. That the gates of the grave would not prevent the called out ones from continuing in eternal life.

I guess Aquila will let me know if I'm right.

I've never heard that angle. So, I can't comment.

Maybe after he kills another six pack?

I don't drink that often. I think the last time I had a drink was Christmas. We opened a bottle of wine with dinner.

But, for the record, I don't really like beer. Some darker ales aren't bad, but I'm not into beer.

I'd prefer Jack Daniels or Telamordue.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Wow, are you bipolar.

Or should I ask how many people use your account?

Ndavid you were right

Seriously, God's Word doesn't return void. If I saw a solid church witness throughout history, I'd weep tears of joy. I'd also repent and preach it the way you do.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Seriously, God's Word doesn't return void. If I saw a solid church witness throughout history, I'd weep tears of joy. I'd also repent and preach it the way you do.

So, history would negate the Biblical witness for you.

Eastern Orthodoxy awaits you for baptism.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I've never heard that angle. So, I can't comment.



I don't drink that often. I think the last time I had a drink was Christmas. We opened a bottle of wine with dinner.

But, for the record, I don't really like beer. Some darker ales aren't bad, but I'm not into beer.

I'd prefer Jack Daniels or Telamordue.

Jack?

I guess when you post you are sipping single barrel proof?

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Gee, I always thought that Jesus was talking about the resurrection from the grave. That the gates of the grave would not prevent the called out ones from continuing in eternal life.

I guess Aquila will let me know if I'm right.

Maybe after he kills another six pack?

Hell in this verse is hades which is a place of the dead. I have heard preachers talking about storming the gates of hell and I have wondered why would a person want to get in there when Jesus died to get us out. lol.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Hell in this verse is hades which is a place of the dead. I have heard preachers talking about storming the gates of hell and I have wondered why would a person want to get in there when Jesus died to get us out. lol.