Originally Posted by n david
Guess you're bored and decided to beat a dead horse, eh Aquila?
I've never heard beard preached as a sin. Period. I was born and raised in the UPCI, attending camp meetings, conventions, conferences and revival services in districts around the US. The church I attend now is UPC. Again, I've never heard it preached against as a sin.
I could describe myself in the same terms, and I have definitely heard it described as sin. If you don't realize that this is the case you must have been living under a rock somewhere. Also actions speak louder than words, and the actions are deafening.
Here's the deal, and I know you won't like it, but it is what it is so deal with it: if a Pastor wants to have a dress code for those participating on the platform there is nothing wrong with doing so. In fact, and you're really not going to like this, he doesn't have to have scripture and verse to do so. Period. End of story.
HMM. It makes you wonder why Paul thought the Bereans were more noble than the saints at Thessalonika because they studied the scripture daily to see if these things be so. If the Apostle Paul was not afraid to be held accountable to the scriptures, perhaps our pastors should not be either.
It's ridiculous that people will do anything an employer asks of them, dress how the employer demands they dress --- even to the point of shaving their beard if the company's dress code states they must be clean shaven --- and with no complaint!
It is NOT ridiculous, it is commendable, and it is noble, according to the Apostle Paul. (See above.)
But let a Pastor have a dress code for people participating on the platform and the complaints and accusations of false doctrine begin.
"Men who are being forced to shave to join, be a part of, participate, minister, or lead in a church, aren't fully men at all."
That's straight trash. God placed a Pastor to lead the church. [COLOR="darkred"]
I am not aware of ANY instance of God placing a pastor, or any other single authoritative figure over a church, ever. Could you please provide scripture to support this notion? From the Bible? [/COLOR
]If I'm attending that church, I should be willing to be obedient to the man God placed to lead that church.
Elders were ordained to oversee the churches. Always plural. Pastors ordained to lead a church? Extra-biblical. Scripture to support this statement please?
You claim men aren't really men if they follow a dress code. Absurd. Also, does this apply to secular employment as well? If an employer's dress code says men must be clean shaven, are they less a man for doing so. Gimme a break!
Again, let's review:
A Pastor may require a dress code for those who wish to be involved in ministry on the platform at the church God placed them to lead;
Said dress code is not required to show chapter and verse for each line item
If you disagree, then you should find somewhere else to worship.
Now this I may agree with.
The end.
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