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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen
I would go with that, in fact that's all I'm saying. All I'm saying if at any point it could be called robbing God. It always is, that's part of the moral law.
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I believe I will just teach a little on the doctrine of moral law that Brother Riggen bases his tithe doctrine on. I was going to quit, but I'm feeling preachy, or teachy, or explainy . . .
Brother Riggen says that the moral law is forever, even more so than diamonds.Just kidding. He does say that the moral law was before the law, during the law, and here and now, after the law. If tithing is part of the moral law, it would be perpetual, as he teaches. Except it's not. Let me give a little color. Just my opinion of course . . . Of course my opinion is based on scripture.
!. Civil law for the Jews. No longer relevant to us.
2. Ceremonial law for the Jews. No longer relevant to us.
3. Moral law. Still in effect for Christians, Gentiles and everybody.
Guess what the tithe law falls under?
If you guessed the moral law, you are really beginning to catch on.
But does it?
Maybe not.
Allow me to expound. Go to the audio and listen beginning at about the twenty minute mark. Cain and Able is used for an example. Cain is guilty of violating the moral law of God. Thou shalt not kill. So God punished him.
He broke the moral law. The moral law does not change. So let's test this doctrine against the word. What was the punishment under the Mosaic law for killing a man (murder).
Lev.24
[17] And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death.
The question is: Was Cain put to death?
Anybody? He was not. Good job. The moral law of killing a man, which was part of the ten commandments, must not be unchangeable.
Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. It is part of the ten commandments. Working on the Sabbath day received the same punishment as killing a man.
Does Brother Riggen observe the Sabbath as they did under the law?
If not, since he believes it is part of the eternal moral law, he should be stoned to death.
He might be persuaded that this law somehow is exempt. Perhaps he didn't think of that. Another failure of his false doctrine.
He believes tithing to the Levites is part of the eternal moral law. He says that Abram tithing to Melchisedec is evidence of this. He says that the tithe was forever before the law, during the law and after the law. Let's see what God believed. Because if he is right, God who never changes, would support the tithe doctrine, because it is holy unto the Lord, and it is eternal, right?
Please turn in your Bibles to the book of Numbers, the thirty first chapter. This will be a lengthy reading, all of fifty four verses. Read it all, just so you know that I am not pulling a fast one on you. I want you to feel confident that I am not quoting out of context, or twisting scripture. Here is the passage . . .
Bible, King James Version
Num.31 Verses 1 to 54
[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
[3] And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
[4] Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
[5] So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
[6] And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
[7] And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
[8] And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
[9] And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
[10] And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
[11] And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
[12] And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
[13] And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
[14] And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
[15] And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
[16] Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
[17] Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
[18] But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
[19] And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day.
[20] And purify all your raiment, and all that is made of skins, and all work of goats' hair, and all things made of wood.
[21] And Eleazar the priest said unto the men of war which went to the battle, This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD commanded Moses;
[22] Only the gold, and the silver, the brass, the iron, the tin, and the lead,
[23] Every thing that may abide the fire, ye shall make it go through the fire, and it shall be clean: nevertheless it shall be purified with the water of separation: and all that abideth not the fire ye shall make go through the water.
[24] And ye shall wash your clothes on the seventh day, and ye shall be clean, and afterward ye shall come into the camp.
[25] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[26] Take the sum of the prey that was taken, both of man and of beast, thou, and Eleazar the priest, and the chief fathers of the congregation:
[27] And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation:
[28] And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep:
[29] Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the LORD.
[30] And of the children of Israel's half, thou shalt take one portion of fifty, of the persons, of the beeves, of the asses, and of the flocks, of all manner of beasts, and give them unto the Levites, which keep the charge of the tabernacle of the LORD.
[31] And Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.
[32] And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep,
[33] And threescore and twelve thousand beeves,
[34] And threescore and one thousand asses,
[35] And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of woman that had not known man by lying with him.
[36] And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep:
[37] And the LORD's tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.
[38] And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the LORD's tribute was threescore and twelve.
[39] And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the LORD's tribute was threescore and one.
[40] And the persons were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD's tribute was thirty and two persons.
[41] And Moses gave the tribute, which was the LORD's heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the LORD commanded Moses.
[42] And of the children of Israel's half, which Moses divided from the men that warred,
[43] (Now the half that pertained unto the congregation was three hundred thousand and thirty thousand and seven thousand and five hundred sheep,
[44] And thirty and six thousand beeves,
[45] And thirty thousand asses and five hundred,
[46] And sixteen thousand persons;
[47] Even of the children of Israel's half, Moses took one portion of fifty, both of man and of beast, and gave them unto the Levites, which kept the charge of the tabernacle of the LORD; as the LORD commanded Moses.
[48] And the officers which were over thousands of the host, the captains of thousands, and captains of hundreds, came near unto Moses:
[49] And they said unto Moses, Thy servants have taken the sum of the men of war which are under our charge, and there lacketh not one man of us.
[50] We have therefore brought an oblation for the LORD, what every man hath gotten, of jewels of gold, chains, and bracelets, rings, earrings, and tablets, to make an atonement for our souls before the LORD.
[51] And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of them, even all wrought jewels.
[52] And all the gold of the offering that they offered up to the LORD, of the captains of thousands, and of the captains of hundreds, was sixteen thousand seven hundred and fifty shekels.
[53] (For the men of war had taken spoil, every man for himself.)
[54] And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of the captains of thousands and of hundreds, and brought it into the tabernacle of the congregation, for a memorial for the children of Israel before the LORD.
This is the story of Moses fulfilling the final orders of God before he was to die. What is remarkable about this story to me is how much it resembles the story of Abram and the slaughter of the kings. Moses followed the commandment of the Lord and God gave the Israelites a great victory. The priest went out to meet the victorious soldiers on their return.
Heads up now. Pay attention! We have a priest, we have a great victory that was blesses and even ordered by God. We have much spoil of war.
My point is that if Brother Riggen is right, and the tithe was supposed to be rendered before the law, there is about to be some holy tithing going on!
I know that you people can read, but allow me to direct your attention to verse twenty five.
And the LORD spake unto Moses saying . . . This is the Lord that the tithe is holy unto, and he is about to give Moses instructions about a . . . tribute?! Well, this certainly can't be right. What about the tithe. You know the eternal holy unto the LORD tithe that is part of the moral law that does not change? Yeah, that one!
But, unfortunately for Brother Riggen, and others that preach this tithe heresy, this incident completely exposes the fallacy of this doctrine. The prey was divided in half, one half went to the people who went into battle, the other half to the people who stayed home, and the tribute of the soldiers was one in five hundred which went to the priests, the other half gave a tribute of one in fifty, which went to the Levites, and they all lived happily ever after.
Oh, and another thing for those who were nodding off during the preaching, neither one in fifty, not=r one in five hundred is a tithe, because a tithe ladies and gentlemen is one in ten.
I do have to go. Maybe tomorrow we can cover some more doctrinal deficiencies in Brother Riggen's message.
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