Are All Oneness Christians Apostolic By Default?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

Because he is a charismaric.

He would be better off being a Trinitarian Pentecostal with a strong sense of holiness and separation than to hold the Truth he has and live as loose as a whore strung out on crystal meth. Those people are more lost than 2 boys kissing!

Lol, good grief is right.

[n david]

Originally Posted by houston

Bucky

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

These blokes are Oneness charismatics and I stand by my assertion that there is more hope for a Trinitarian Pentecostal who lives a life of holiness than there is for the man who holds the truth in unholiness.

How can you say someone who believes in 3 Gods and doesn't follow Acts 2:38 has more hope? That is impossible in itself. Holiness is nothing without believing that Jesus is the Almighty one true living God, and adhering to Acts 2:38.

A woman's hair being cut will disqualify them before someone who has not followed the plan of salvation and believes in a whole different set of Gods? You can't believe that, for real.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

They are unholy in living and probably lost. Loose living is not conducive to spirituality and holiness. At least a meth whore, in her lucid moments, can be convinced of her need for salvation and holiness There isn't anything you can say or do to convince the people you describe of their need for holiness. Therefore, they are probably unsaved. Probably damned and drowned in deception. God is able to save these folks, but I don't know how He will work these folks, along with all other charismatics, into His Eternal Kingdom.

You say all this behind cut hair? I'm not saying 1 Corinthians 11 didn't say it shouldn't be cut, but you believe thats a salvational issue seriously? Like don't past go, don't collect 200 dollars, go straight to hell? I can't honestly say that, maybe the pastor who wasn't teaching the truth, but I can't say thay for sure about the people in the church. That's like Brother Michael saying people are going to hell behind eschatology?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

Probably is better than speaking with absolute assurance on something I don't have absolute assurance. God is able to save them-- but a "meth whore" knows her station at the point she decides to approach the Throne of Grace.

"Even the dogs lick the crumbs..."

These other folks are probably attempting to prepare to sit at the table for bread and wine, but they won't be wearing the right clothes.

Brother this whole meth whore reference in 3 different posts is probably a little uncalled for terminology. IJS but don't mind me though... I'm just trolling right now, in the words of Houston.

[Bro Flame]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

They are unholy in living and probably lost. Loose living is not conducive to spirituality and holiness. At least a meth whore, in her lucid moments, can be convinced of her need for salvation and holiness There isn't anything you can say or do to convince the people you describe of their need for holiness. Therefore, they are probably unsaved. Probably damned and drowned in deception. God is able to save these folks, but I don't know how He will work these folks, along with all other charismatics, into His Eternal Kingdom.

I disagree. I don't believe that these people are unsaved or deceived. Honestly, I'm shocked at how quickly you are to pass judgment on them when you haven't the slightest who these people are. I'm glad they can't see what has been said.

[Bro Flame]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

You say all this behind cut hair? I'm not saying 1 Corinthians 11 didn't say it shouldn't be cut, but you believe thats a salvational issue seriously? Like don't past go, don't collect 200 dollars, go straight to hell? I can't honestly say that, maybe the pastor who wasn't teaching the truth, but I can't say thay for sure about the people in the church. That's like Brother Michael saying people are going to hell behind eschatology?

From what I gather, these people believe traditional holiness like most old-school Holiness Pentecostals. The only thing that differs from the onset is that their ladies cut their hair. Apparently, they interpret the verse from 1 Corinthians about long hair as the ladies can cut their hair as long as it's long. Personally, I can see how one would get that impression. I certainly won't put anyone in hell for seeing that interpretation. I was simply asking why they may not self-describe as Apostolic. I wasn't wanting to debate their salvation, especially when I myself don't know them all that well.

[Bro Flame]

Originally Posted by n david

The reason Bucky has jumped the cliff is because you mentioned that the ladies cut their hair. That = charismatic.

To Bucky, it's better being a "meth whore" than a oneness believing, spirit-filled woman who cuts her hair, or minister who allows women to cut their hair.

These people were certainly Spirit-filled believers. Their music was anointed. The power of God moved in their services. I've been there and experienced it myself.

As I understand, they quite simply interpret "long hair" as being able to cut it as long as it as long. I don't see how that in itself would lead one to deny them salvation or compare them to definitely unsaved "meth whores".

[Bro Flame]

I think my initial question as toss aside in favor of a discussing of questioning these peoples' salvation. That was not my intent for starting this thread. I was simply curious to know the opinions of others here as to why you might think these Christians may not self-identify as Apostolic, even though the vast majority of their beliefs align with what many here would define as classical Apostolic Pentecostal teachings.

That's it. Nothing more. I wasn't wanting to debate anyone's salvation, especially when I myself do not know these people all too well personally. I can only speak of what I feel from them, which is the power and the love of God. They are anointed people. Different interpretations such as these, in my opinion, are not heaven or hell issues. Perhaps they are leading their flocks as closely as they see fit. Maybe one day they will be convicted of allowing their ladies to cut their hair and put a stop to it. Who knows?

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

They most definitely are charismatic and are more charismatic than Apostolic. Look up the definition of charismatic and then look up the definition of Apostolic.

In a sense, all Apostolics are charismatic, but not all charismatic are Apostolic. These blokes are Oneness charismatics and I stand by my assertion that there is more hope for a Trinitarian Pentecostal who lives a life of holiness than there is for the man who holds the truth in unholiness.

Originally Posted by houston

Larisa, How is there more hope? That doesn’t make sense.

Originally Posted by n david

"Probably."

Do you know these people to whom HR is referring? Or do you always just assume the worst about people you've never met or know?

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

Probably is better than speaking with absolute assurance on something I don't have absolute assurance. God is able to save them-- but a "meth whore" knows her station at the point she decides to approach the Throne of Grace.

"Even the dogs lick the crumbs..."

These other folks are probably attempting to prepare to sit at the tabe for bread and wine, but they won't be wearing the right clothes.

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

How can you say someone who believes in 3 Gods and doesn't follow Acts 2:38 has more hope? That is impossible in itself. Holiness is nothing without believing that Jesus is the Almighty one true living God, and adhering to Acts 2:38.

A woman's hair being cut will disqualify them before someone who has not followed the plan of salvation and believes in a whole different set of Gods? You can't believe that, for real.

The person who claims soul-saving salvation AND shows with their life a desire for personal holiness and separation from this world is in a spiritually "safer" place than the person who understands all the ends and outs of doctrine and even every other mystery but live a life void of holiness and separation from this world.

What good is saying you have the truth, saying you have the Holy Ghost, and it doesn't move you to a life of holiness? Like I said, at least the holy-living Trinitarian Pentecostal who calls on the Name of Jesus has had some kind of experience that has clearly motivated them to live a life of holiness pleasing to the Lord.

That is why there is hope for the dogs who lick the crumbs. They know of their condition and their need. The folks who have the truth and their "new revelations" are PROBABLY going to attempt to sit at the table only to be turned away because they are not wearing the right clothes.

PROBABLY does not equal DEFINITELY. Only God knows and if it was up to me, we would all spend eternity with our God and Savior Jesus Christ. I am not made happy by the thought that there will probably be charismatic so-called Apostolics in hell, right next to the Trinitarians who are also wrong in doctrine.

Yet I still assert the following about the meth addict and the holy living Trinitarian Pentecostal:

They both have more hope of salvation than the so-called Apostolic who has cast away their convictions for holiness.

The meth addict, upon salvation will have a heart pliable for holiness and the holy living Trinitarian Pentecostal lives a life that suggests that God really is at work in their lives.