Prediction: The Charismatics Will Seek Holiness!

[n david]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Hal Linhartd is the head of IHOP Evangelism.

"In 2001, He became the Director of the Evangelism at the International House of Prayer, Kansas City. In 2015, he became the Founder and Director of Kansas City Evangelists' Fellowship."

The KCEF Statement of Faith says:
"8. The salvation of man is wholly a work of God's free grace and is not the work, in whole or in part, of human works or goodness or religious ceremony. God imputes His righteousness to those who put their faith in Christ alone for their salvation, and thereby justified them in His sight.

9. It is the privilege of all who are born again of the Spirit to be assured of their salvation from the very moment in which they trust Christ as their Savior. This assurance is not based upon any kind of human merit, but is produced by the witness of the Holy Spirit, who confirms in the believer the testimony of God in His written word.

10. The Holy Spirit has come into the world to reveal and glorify Christ and to apply the saving work of Christ to men. He convicts and draws sinners to Christ, imparts new life to them, continually indwells them from the moment of spiritual birth and seals them until the day of redemption. His fullness, power and control are appropriated in the believer's life by faith."

Nothing about new birth. Nothing about water baptism or receiving the HG.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by n david

"In 2001, He became the Director of the Evangelism at the International House of Prayer, Kansas City. In 2015, he became the Founder and Director of Kansas City Evangelists' Fellowship."

The KCEF Statement of Faith says:
"8. The salvation of man is wholly a work of God's free grace and is not the work, in whole or in part, of human works or goodness or religious ceremony. God imputes His righteousness to those who put their faith in Christ alone for their salvation, and thereby justified them in His sight.

9. It is the privilege of all who are born again of the Spirit to be assured of their salvation from the very moment in which they trust Christ as their Savior. This assurance is not based upon any kind of human merit, but is produced by the witness of the Holy Spirit, who confirms in the believer the testimony of God in His written word.

10. The Holy Spirit has come into the world to reveal and glorify Christ and to apply the saving work of Christ to men. He convicts and draws sinners to Christ, imparts new life to them, continually indwells them from the moment of spiritual birth and seals them until the day of redemption. His fullness, power and control are appropriated in the believer's life by faith."

Nothing about new birth. Nothing about water baptism or receiving the HG.

Hal Linhardt
/
www.ihopkc.org/forerunnerevangelism
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SCRIPTURAL REASONS FOR SPEAKING IN TONGUES
Adapted
from
A Handbook on Holy Spirit Baptism
by Don Basham
It may help to realize that there are
strong Biblical reasons
for speaking in tongues.
1. Speaking with tongues is the
unique
New Testament
spiritual gift
identified with the
Church of Jesus Christ.
Prior to the day of Pentecost, all other gifts, miracles and spiritual manifestations had been in evidence during
the Old Testament ti
mes.
On the Day of Pentecost, this new phenomenon came into evidence and became
uniquely identified with the Church (Acts 2:4 and I Corinthians, chapters 12
-
14).
2. Speaking with tongues was
ordained by God
for the Church
(I Corinthians 12:28,
14:21).
3. Speaking with tongues is a
specific fulfillment of prophecy
(Isaiah 28:11, I Corinthians 14:21, Joel 2:28
-
29,
Acts 2:16
-
18).
4. Speaking with tongues is
a sign OF the believer
(John 7:38, 39, Mark 16:17).
5. Speaking with tongues is
a sign TO the unbeliever
(I Corinthians 14:22).
6. Speaking with tongues is a
proof of the resurrection and glorification of Jesus Christ
(John 16:7, Acts 2:22
-
24,
32
-
33).
7. Speaking with tongu
es is an
evidence of the baptism with the Holy Spirit
(Acts 2:4, 10:45
-
46, 19:6).
8. Speaking with tongues is a
means of preaching to men of other languages
(Acts 2:6
-
11).
9. Speaking with tongues is a
spiritual gift for
building o
neself up spiritually
(I Corinthians 14:4).
10. Speaking with tongues is a
spiritual gift for spiritual edification of the Church
(I Corinthians 14:5).
11.
One who speaks in a tongue, in his spirit he
speaks mysteries to God
(1 Corinthians 14:2).
12. Speaking with tongues is a means by which the
Holy Spirit intercedes through us in prayer
(Romans 8:26, I
Corinthians 14:14).
13. Speaking with tongues is a spiritual gift for “
singing in the Spirit
” (I Corint
hians 14:15, Ephesians 5:18
-
19).
14. The
Apostle Paul was thankful
to God for the
privilege of speaking in tongues
(I Corinthians 14:18).
15. The
Apostle Paul desired
that all would speak with tongues (I Corinthians 14:5).
16.
Speaking with tongues is
one of the gifts of the Spirit
(I Corinthians 12:10).
17. The
Apostle Paul ordered
that speaking with tongues should not be forbidden (I Corinthians 14:39).
18. Isaiah prophetically
declares that
speaking with ton
gues
is
a “rest”
(Isaiah 28:12, I Corinthians 14:21).
19. Isaiah prophetically refers to speaking with tongues as
a “refreshing
” (Isaiah 28:12. I Corinthians 14:21).
20. Speaking with tongues follows as
a confirmation of the Word of God w
hen it is preached
(Mark 16:17, 20).
21. You
give thanks well to God
. (1 Corinthians 14:1
__________________________________________________ ______________

So yes again IHOP believes in the Holy Ghost with tongues. So they teach repenting, being baptized in water in Jesus name and receiving the Spirit baptism with tongues following.

So if one does this you are saying they are not born again?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So yes again IHOP believes in the Holy Ghost with tongues. So they teach repenting, being baptized in water in Jesus name and receiving the Spirit baptism with tongues following.

So if one does this you are saying they are not born again?

First, KCEF is not ihop. It is separate from ihop. It's endorsed by ihop, but not ihop. So this isn't about what ihop believes anymore.

Second, none of what's Dan Basham's video I've been watching, nor in the pdf you posted connects the HG to salvation. It is referred to as "one of the gifts of the spirit."

Again, their statement of faith has nothing about baptism or receiving the HG. In fact, per the SOF, salvation is assured when "they trust Christ as their Savior."

"8. The salvation of man is wholly a work of God's free grace and is not the work, in whole or in part, of human works or goodness or religious ceremony. God imputes His righteousness to those who put their faith in Christ alone for their salvation, and thereby justified them in His sight.

9. It is the privilege of all who are born again of the Spirit to be assured of their salvation from the very moment in which they trust Christ as their Savior. This assurance is not based upon any kind of human merit, but is produced by the witness of the Holy Spirit, who confirms in the believer the testimony of God in His written word.

10. The Holy Spirit has come into the world to reveal and glorify Christ and to apply the saving work of Christ to men. He convicts and draws sinners to Christ, imparts new life to them, continually indwells them from the moment of spiritual birth and seals them until the day of redemption. His fullness, power and control are appropriated in the believer's life by faith."

[Amanah]

The Power of Emotionalism, Mysticism, and Gnosticism
The major draw of IHOP is experience. Experience is fine as long as it is not against Scripture. We don't want mysticism, which is defined as “the pursuit of deeper or higher subjective religious experience,” and “that spiritual reality is perceived apart from the human intellect and natural senses.”5 IHOP practices what is known as centering or contemplative prayer. This is defined as “the practice of relaxing, emptying the mind, and letting one's self find the presence of God within.”6 In fact, they had an article titled “Contemplative Prayer” on their website, but after much negative press they have taken it down.7 However, the contents of the article have been preserved by a former IHOP staff member’s website and is available for all to see here: (http://gospelmasquerade.wordpress.co...yer-continued/)

One of the highest criticisms of IHOP is that of Gnosticism. Gnosticism is derived from the greek word gnosis, meaning “knowledge.” Gnosticism is the idea of having “hidden knowledge” of the spiritual realm that is unavailable to others. This knowledge comes via prophecies, visions, and dreams that God specifically gives to a certain privileged group of people - in this case IHOP. In fact, IHOP has their own “prophecy rooms” where one can receive “prophecies."

Great experiences with our Lord are a gift from God, but one needs to exercise caution concerning the authority he/she gives personal experiences. More often than not, the people who go to IHOP do not have a strong theological foundation and so they rely on their experiences to dictate what the Bible says and not the other way around. Here are some words (from Dr. John MacArthur's sermon "Are Experiences a Valid Source of Truth?) of wisdom regarding experiences:

There is the ploy they use, "Well, we would expect you to be against it since you haven't had the experience." That is Gnosticism. That is believing that you have been elevated to a higher level of comprehension which the uninitiated have no understanding. Rodman Williams, who has written a number of books and who was once the president of a local Charismatic school, and I quote said, "Any vital information concerning the Gifts of the Spirit, the Pneumatic Charismata, predisposes a participation in them. Without such a participation, whatever is said about the Gifts may only result in confusion and error." If you haven't had it, you have no right to talk about it. One pastor said to me, "You talk exactly like one who never had the experience. You are speaking out of ignorance." I wonder if they feel that way talking about Heaven, Hell, murder, adultery, homosexuality, and numerous other subjects. Do we have to have that experience too?8

A Sampling of the Prophecies
Lest you think the prophecies at IHOP are like ones in other mainstream charismatic churches or similar to prophecies noted men like John Piper, Vern Poythress, or Wayne Grudem believe, please read the following quotes other authors have noted:
1. On disc 7 of The Prophetic History, Bickle describes a visitation to the throne-room of God as he is told that God will be restoring the apostles to the church. Let me preface this by saying that before getting to this point in his message, Bickle described the experience as being on par with the Apostle Paul’s experience in the Third Heaven in 2 Cor. 12 as well as John’s visions.
They’ve been told by church leadership that it is up to them to “usher in” the Second Coming of Jesus. They’ve been encouraged to do away with discernment concerning mystical experiences. They’ve been told that they are “forerunners” of Christ in the same way that John the Baptist was. They’ve been told that the orthodox views of Christianity are weak and it’s up to them to restore the “true” message of the Gospel, using their new “powers from God” to start a revival that will win souls for the Kingdom."9

2. They could hear from God, and speak forth God's words, prophesying of great events soon to transpire on planet earth. And they could have flipped a coin as to whether what God allegedly told them would actually come true. Often they didn't come true. Some of the main prophets and/or leaders in the movement included Paul Cain, Mike Bickle, Bob Jones, Rick Joyner, John Paul Jackson, Francis Frangipane, and others...However, he was quoted as saying that the general level of prophetic revelation in the movement's "prophets" had an accuracy level of about 65 percent. Some prophets were as low as 10 percent accurate, he said, with some of the "most mature" prophets having a rating "approaching 85 percent to 95 percent. " (Steven F Cannon, "Old Wine in Old Wineskins: A Look at Kansas City Fellowship," The Quarterly Journal 10, no. 4 (October-December 1990): 8.10

3. Bickle claims that a "voice" spoke to him in September 1982, directing him to a ministry to touch the ends of the earth. ( Albert James Dager, Vengeance is Ours. Redmond, Wash.: Sword Publishers, 1990, pg. 127.) Bickle's account is as follows: "The Lord simply said, 'I will change the understanding and expression of Christianity in the earth in one generation.'" (Mike Bickle, Growing in the Prophetic. Lake Mary, Fla.: Creation House, 1996, pg. 30)11

4. Bickle speaking, “...but the fact is God showed me that it was truly a healing anointing. It was a tremendously, ah, dynamic dream for my own personal history and what I can understand for the life of this church. There’s a healing anointing He said would be second to no other movement. That’s what He told me directly, it would be second to no other movement in this whole generation, the healing anointing that will come upon this people. . .He (BJ) [Bob Jones] says ‘They took a banner and He (God) put a banner upon you last night and it spoke of the entire movement.’ Then he told me the dream I had and he said the Lord says there will be no movement that will be superior to the healing power that comes forth from this movement . He goes, ‘There will be nothing in the earth that this thing will be second to in the generation.’ I said, ‘God, this is incredible.’” (P.His 2, p. 15 - 17)12

5. “I (Mike Bickle) stood there and I was at the Lord’s left hand, and it was not a dream--this was as real as life here and like I said, I don’t know that realm... He (God) was speaking so sternly to me, He said, ‘If you are impatient...you will cause great turmoil and much trouble for many people.’ I was ashamed and I was broken with sorrow that He said that so harshly to me. And then what happened is that I start falling so rapidly--I mean like--S-H-O-O-O-M, it takes about five or six seconds, and fall down to my bed, right through the ceiling--I mean it was right through the walls and things--S-H-O-O-O-M, I hit my bed and it wasn’t like an instant I was there--I had knowledge of travel for five or six seconds. Have you had that?”
BJ: “Yes.”
MB: “And I was falling so rapidly and I was going like ‘A-H-H-H-H.’ I was coming right down through the black sky...And I come right through the ceiling and I hit my bed and I looked for like a half a second, I goes S-H-O-O-O-M right back up again, I go. . . right through the ceiling again! And I understood immediately the impatience was of setting in leadership premature without permission. He said...‘You cannot put leadership in that I do not say, because the leadership will divide and cause much division and many people will suffer great harm and I will hold you accountable for it. ‘...So what happens is this golden chariot, it appears--S-W-O-O-O-P-and it comes right there. . . and I under--I knew intuitively, instantly--it was an apostolic ministry, though it’s only the invitation. It was not a commission. The Lord was not calling me an apostle. He said He was thinking, ‘The days to come, if you’re faithful, you have an opportunity in the grace of God to fill an apostolic calling if you’re faithful to the full measure.’ And I set in the chariot and I went shooting right into a blue sky and I knew as I was going up that it was revelation. He said, ‘I’m going to bring you to divine revelation in the days to come.’...There would be an end-time measure of apostolic ministry that would come out of the fruit of the intercession...so like it’s a number of years down the road. But the Lord said that I’m going to bring forth apostles—champions--if the people will live in intercession and ask for them to come...And so that was no small visitation in terms of the promise of what God said to this movement...And the Lord says, ‘Now you have the word in yourself now and you will not go running after other movements and other places because I have spoken to you face-to-face. ‘...But I know that at that time I owned,..from the voice of God--face-to-face (but I never saw His face), but I mean standing next to Him, I owned the word myself and it was not just a matter of me believing Him. It was amazing how the revelation turned after that time.” (F88, p. 81 - 84)13

https://carm.org/ihop

[Michael The Disciple]

Part 2



FIVE BIBLE PICTURES OF BAPTISM

1. Water baptism is a public declaration that we are believers who have chosen to follow Christ and identify with God’s covenant people. Baptism separates us spiritually and physically from false deities.

2. Baptism is an earthly dramatization of a divine truth; a glorious funeral service if you will. Water baptism is a symbolic yet real spiritual experience. In baptism we identify with Jesus Christ in His death, burial and resurrection

Galatians 2:20 20"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

Romans 6:3, 4, 5, 11 3Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 11Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Col. 2:12 12having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

3. OT physical circumcision. Circumcision was a required physical mark identifying of all Jewish men.

Gen.17:1-14 10"This is My covenant, which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: every male among you shall be circumcised. 11"And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you. 12"And every male among you who is eight days old shall be circumcised throughout your generations, a servant who is born in the house or who is bought with money from any foreigner, who is not of your descendants. 13"A servant who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised; thus shall My covenant be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14"But an uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant."

N.T. Water baptism is a required spiritual mark identifying all New Testament believers, male and female. Baptism is a circumcision made without hands.

Col. 2:11-12- 11and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; 12having been buried with Him in baptism,…

4. Noah’s flood 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit ; 19 in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, 20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. 21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience -through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,…

5. Moses and the crossing of the Red Sea. Exodus 14:21-31 26Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand over the sea so that the waters may come back over the Egyptians, over their chariots and their horsemen." 27So Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and the sea returned to its normal state at daybreak, while the Egyptians were fleeing right into it; then the LORD overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea. 28The waters returned and covered the chariots and the horsemen, even Pharaoh's entire army that had gone into the sea after them; not even one of them remained. 29But the sons of Israel walked on dry land through the midst of the sea, and the waters were like a wall to them on their right hand and on their left. 30Thus the LORD saved Israel that day from the hand of the Egyptians, and Israel saw the Egyptians dead on the seashore


NAME INTO WHICH THE BELIEVER IS BAPTIZED

A.The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

Matt. 28:19- 19"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,


Name of Father: Lord.


Exodus 3:15; God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you ' This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.

Exodus 15:3 "The LORD is a warrior; The LORD is His name.

Isa. 42:8 ”I am the LORD, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another,

Name of Son: Jesus.


Luke 1:31- “.. you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus.”

John 17:6, 11, 12- 6" I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
11"I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. 12"While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.

Name of Holy Spirit: Christ (Messiah or Anointed One)


Matt. 3:16 16After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him,

1 John 2:20,27 20But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know.
27As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.

Thus the triune name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit is interpreted in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, which is the name used in water baptism in the book of Acts.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

8:12, 16 But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike. 16For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

10:48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.


B. There is a Pentecostal cult group that denies that there are three persons in the God- Head. This is false teaching called “Oneness” or the” United Pentecostal”.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

B. There is a Pentecostal cult group that denies that there are three persons in the God- Head. This is false teaching called “Oneness” or the” United Pentecostal”.

Bye bye Charlie

[Michael The Disciple]

Remember:

I did not say they teach Acts 2:38 is the new birth. I asked you guys IF YOU DO. IHOP does practice Acts 2:38 with baptism in the name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST and receiving the Holy Ghost baptism with tongues following.

So by YOUR BELIEF the IHOP PEOPLE ARE BORN AGAIN.

I also said in my other post they are still Trinitarians.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

IHOP does practice Acts 2:38 with baptism in the name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST and receiving the Holy Ghost baptism with tongues following.

I do not believe this is true. I say this only because there is nothing on ihop's website which backs this claim. Nor is there anything on Mike Bickle's website.

This guy who used to be the Evangelism Director at ihop has a video about being filled with the HG, but thus far in the video it is not a part of salvation, but occurs AFTER assurance of salvation. His own statement of faith states that assurance of salvation is at "trusting Christ as savior."

The lengthy post on baptism you posted even has that they should be baptized in the titles. So the part you put in all caps is incorrect.

Sorry, but I don't believe it.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by n david

I do not believe this is true. I say this only because there is nothing on ihop's website which backs this claim. Nor is there anything on Mike Bickle's website.

This guy who used to be the Evangelism Director at ihop has a video about being filled with the HG, but thus far in the video it is not a part of salvation, but occurs AFTER assurance of salvation. His own statement of faith states that assurance of salvation is at "trusting Christ as savior."

The lengthy post on baptism you posted even has that they should be baptized in the titles. So the part you put in all caps is incorrect.

Sorry, but I don't believe it.

You are not reading anything I am saying. I never said they believe Acts 2:38 is the new birth. I said they teach repenting, being baptized in Jesus name and receiving the Holy Ghost baptism with tongues.

THEY PRACTICE ACTS 2:38.

I asked you and Dom if YOU BELIEVED if someone repents and is baptized in the name of Jesus and receives the Spirit baptism is born again to which Dom answered yes. I never saw an answer from you.

But now Dom and I suppose you have backed off that if one DOES Acts 2:38 they are born again.

BTW you can see Hal Linhardt baptizing someone in Jesus name in this thread.

You failed to read the article when you say they baptize in the titles.



NAME INTO WHICH THE BELIEVER IS BAPTIZED

A.The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

Matt. 28:19- 19"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,


Name of Father: Lord.


Exodus 3:15; God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you ' This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.

Exodus 15:3 "The LORD is a warrior; The LORD is His name.

Isa. 42:8 ”I am the LORD, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another,

Name of Son: Jesus.


Luke 1:31- “.. you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus.”

John 17:6, 11, 12- 6" I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
11"I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. 12"While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.

Name of Holy Spirit: Christ (Messiah or Anointed One)


Matt. 3:16 16After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him,

1 John 2:20,27 20But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know.
27As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.

Thus the triune name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit is interpreted in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, which is the name used in water baptism in the book of Acts.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

8:12, 16 But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike. 16For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

10:48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

__________________________________________________ ______________

So if you cant admit the obvious that they do baptize in Jesus name and teach the Spirit with tongues you must not want to see it.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So if you cant admit the obvious that they do baptize in Jesus name and teach the Spirit with tongues you must not want to see it.

Mike, most charismatics believe in the HG with tongues. I'm sure you know this. The baptism from the video posted previously had the titles pronounced.