Saved Without A Pastor??

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

ok so lets use probability;

See my previous post. The probability is 50% that it is a pastor, and 50% that it is a messenger. This probability is NOT based on Bible, but instead is based on a definition of angel found in Strong's. So we're going to roll the dice?
If you would admit that MOST messengers in the Bible were NOT pastors, that would be an exercise in honesty. How about you make that confession?

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

is it more probable that an angel or heavenly being would have a necessity that a person write to them about problems in a church and how to correct it?

How about this scenario. If we are going to use logic (which I'm not sure is appropriate in Revelation) we have Jesus giving a message to John, and then John is going to turn around and give it to pastors? I thought it was y'all's position that the pastors were messengers. Why didn't Jesus just give them the message?

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Or is it more probable that a person would need to be written to concerning problems in a church?

For the church at Ephesus, we have already verified that they were overseen by a plurality of elders. I provided scripture. Remember? So that particular church would be addressed through the elders. We could assume that the other churches were as well, but it is not an assumption that the only direct oversight of the churches in the Bible that we have record of, is in every case a plurality of elders. No exceptions. NEVER is it mentioned that a pastor has this position. Feel free to quote scripture otherwise, or just ignore it, like you have been doing.

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Is it more probable that an angel would relay the message written?

The probability is that the angel would be a heavenly being.

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Or is it more probable that a person would relay the message written?

There are many persons that are NOT pastors. Am I right? So IF the messenger was a person, the probability would be that said person would NOT be a pastor.