Saved Without A Pastor??

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

No I'm not worthy.

EB, you needa repent for not teaching me how to do this. I see SOOOOO much possibility here!!!




I gotta stop.

[jediwill83]

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

No I'm not worthy.

[houston]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

So what you are saying is that your positive experience sets the mark for what is the norm for everyone which invalidates any contrary experience thus relenquishing you from any expectations of empathy and understanding.


Gotcha.


Objective and subjective are a thing bro.😁

Haven’t you seen it played out?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I believe that this refers to rulers similar to Nicodemus. Secular may not be the best word to describe them, since the Jewish government possibly did not really fit the standard definition for secular. The Jews were supposed to be a theocracy, therefore secular may not be such a good fit, however I think that you have the correct idea. Really I mean that "them" refers to the authority of the government, which in the case of the Jews, was supposed to be God. Being as the Jews rejected Jesus as a rule, the theocracy part, we as Christians would not agree with.

I believe that verse 17 and 24 also refer to the form of government rule.

Lol!! You are grasping at straws with all this. You are aware that for 30 years the church was nothing but Jews right? So you believe these people he is writing to are living under OT law, in 65 A.D.?

In 65 A.D. you believe the Pharisees and the Saducees as being the ones who were being referred to as "those who have spoken to you the Word of God?" Absolutely not, and nice try.. And Peter wasn't writing to the Gentiles he was the apostle to the Jews...

Everything I needed to say has already been stated but ill come back from time to time just to see what new conclusion you've drawn. I'd advise you to pray and meditate on the passage, that always helps me.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Are these that rule over the Hebrews living or are they dead (patriarchs) or are they both current and former rulers? Some of the language seems to indicate that they have already passed on. I think that it could be both.

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How could someone dead watch for your soul?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

You personally are touting a second covering doctrine that is not recognized by the conventional apostolic church.

This is false.

First of all, I simply asked you who else holds to your interpretation. Nobody else does (except a former poster here named Shazeep, hardly a good reference). I did not draw any conclusions from this fact. I never said "If nobody else believes as you do, you must be wrong." But I will say that if a person comes up with an interpretation that has NEVER EVER been discovered by anyone else whatsoever, then that should give everyone a serious pause to consider how it is that you (for example) have a revelation that God has withheld from EVERYBODY else throughout all history.

Secondly, my view concerning headcovering is held by the majority of Oneness Pentecostals worldwide. It is only amongst certain American Oneness Pentecostal groups (and their proteges in Western Europe) who hold a different view than I do on the subject. And in America, the entire Apostolic Assemblies of the Faith hold to the same view I have. As does the entire Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ and many of its offshoots. There are other Oneness Pentecostal denominations that likewise practice headcovering the way I understand it.

Moreover, E.V.E.R.Y.B.O.D.Y. in Christendom prior to the late 1800s/early 1900s believed as I do on the subject.

So, to claim that my belief in headcovering is some kind of "me vs the religious world" thing is totally fantastical and false. I am definitely in the minority, compared to a (slim) majority of American and Western European Oneness Pentecostals. But I am totally in the mainstream compared to Oneness Pentecostals worldwide, and especially compared to 1800 years of global Christianity (of A.L.L. flavors).

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I gotta stop.

Too late for that.

What goes around, comes around.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

How could someone dead watch for your soul?

Better, question is how do you share belongings with the dead.

Anyway, I didn’t really follow the discussion that closely. I found out that TM didn’t actually know what he was talking about. So, he was just throwing things out there. I do think it’s hysterical that someone would even imply that Hebrew 17 is speaking about government leadership. The patriarchs? Well, that is just ignorable.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

My point is that he is questioning whether I'm right, according to how many people believe what I say, and not based onscripture. On the other hand, (or put the shoe on the other foot) and he has his own beliefs that he teaches, that are certainly NOT mainstream even in apostolic churches, and he evidently thinks THAT'S okay.

Because he's special. If I (or others) did the same thing, we would be hypocrites.

THAT"S what THAT means.

Thanks for asking.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

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Moreover, E.V.E.R.Y.B.O.D.Y. in Christendom prior to the late 1800s/early 1900s believed as I do on the subject.

So, to claim that my belief in headcovering is some kind of "me vs the religious world" thing is totally fantastical and false. I am definitely in the minority, compared to a (slim) majority of American and Western European Oneness Pentecostals. But I am totally in the mainstream compared to Oneness Pentecostals worldwide, and especially compared to 1800 years of global Christianity (of A.L.L. flavors).

when I was a kid we wore veils in the catholic church.



and it was common for all women to wear hats when then went out, before our era.