Psychotropic Drugs in Religious Rituals

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Chris, you don't post as if it is just your opinion. Big difference. You post as if the things you say, the article you present, and videos you show are solid evidence for your claims. Hence the "arguments" due to rebuttals of you fallacy being paraded as facts. Chris, Votive and myself know far more than you because we lived it. Lived around people who suffered through these drugs you advocate as miraculous cures. Votive and I have also seen conversions of people who once SUFFERED from the destructive results of marijuana to convert to the saving power of the Holy Ghost. You have no hands on experience with any of that, therefore you see cannabis as the second coming.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I've clarified every thing you are still obsessing over.

Obsessing, far from it. I'm just keeping in front and center, pointing out who and what you really are. That my observances of you are correct. While you would rather have these issues remain buried beneath pages of posts.

Originally Posted by Aquila

If you could just let it go,

Hence the reason you are called multifaceted. You are a flip flopper, you range from pole to pole. So, bringing these things up show what you are about. Oddly enough, you happen to not like that, because you understand it blows your cover.

Originally Posted by Aquila

and have honest dialogue,

But we are, you just happen to be dishonest, and it exposes your game.

Originally Posted by Aquila

you'll realize that I'm not here for trouble and that we actually agree on far more than we disagree on.

Chris, if you were honest, and if you really sought to have some sort of meeting of the minds. Then you wouldn't battle so hard for people to accept your position concerning the most outrageous ideas. Listen, how long where you in Christianity? Apostolic Pentecostalism? Even the bless me club you just left didn't accept your ideas. But, instead of working something out, you left. Therefore, with this medium you only retreat when you really ram your foot in your mouth. You leave for a time, then come back when you believe everyone has forgotten. Chris, we wouldn't ever agree on psychotropic drug use. You have a huge deficit in that you are clueless of any hands on real life experience with doing them, living in a culture which was using, or the effects of those substances being used on others. All you are doing is Polly Parroting NPR and all the other Bernie Sanderisms you ram down our throats. In short, once again Chris you pick topics to incite a riot, not to discuss the facts to find the Truth.

Originally Posted by Aquila

You'll also notice that I share some of the same concerns as you do.

That is part of your somersaulting and flip flopping to gain advantage in the discussion. You want everyone to think you are being balanced, and somewhat Libertarian Christain. Yet, Chris, we don't determine a discussion from one post, or from one thread. We take into consideration everything you have written on the subject or even other subjects. Even if every point of view you had penned wasn't really who you are, you paint a picture of someone looking to have others agree of psychotropic plant and fungi consumption. Who is trying to convince a Christina forum to consume cannabis' THC. Which I and others are 100% against.

Originally Posted by Aquila

But, I don't always see those concerns as radically fundamental as you might. For example, as I said above, depriving a family of a treatment that could help their child who has multiple seizures a day is an act of violence against them. Depriving vets a treatment that can help them get their lives under control is an act of violence against them. Depriving those suffering from the debilitating effects of Parkinson's is an act of violence against them. Depriving cancer patients treatments that can easy pain and assist with creating appetite is an act of violence against them. Do we pray that they all receive a miraculous healing? Yes! But until that healing comes, let's not force them to suffer when a significant amount of suffering can be relieved.

Chris that is full blown baloney. Illegal, doesn't mean impossible to acquire and use. I cannot own a RPG 7, but it isn't impossible to buy one, and own it.
I said all that to say this, if cannabis or LSD were the miraculous substances you and your BIG PHARMA propaganda claims, then honeychild we would of been using it for those conditions long ago Jim. So, while you have been convinced of the stories, I have seen the results first hand. I don't buy what you are selling...Pusherman.

Originally Posted by Aquila

The dangers of any powerful drug or medication are real.

Why because you heard that somewhere?

Originally Posted by Aquila

We agree on this.

I know first hand, you heard it somewhere, or read about it in a Google search. I thought you were EMS? All first responders I know, have dealt with multiple psychotropic situations. I know of a church group who worked EMS at concerts, they would wonder how long you have been EMS. Another thing, Apostolic Pentecostal service cause you to have PTSD issues, but working as a first responder doesn't?

Originally Posted by Aquila

But the potential for abuse doesn't negate the potential for good.

The above is another way of saying the lesser of two evils. That isn't how we come to truth. Potential only means it could develop into something positive. In other words, it may or may not work. We are telling you that the use of weed doesn't conclusively prove it cures. Reason being we have seen that it doesn't. Listen, I don't want someone smoking a dube an operating a crane. i don't want someone riding with me on their GXR, when they finished smoking one dube. Listen, people do it all the time and are able to operate the crane, ride the bike, and get home. But the the times that the THC causes a glitch, someone dies. Can you dig that potential? No, you will figure out another agenda motivated argument against it. Again, Aquila when was the last time you ingested CANNABIS!

Originally Posted by Aquila

A broad brush approach that sweeps epileptics, vets, those with Parkinson's, and those struggling with cancer treatments, under the rug and ignores them isn't the answer. We can see the good in a thing, advocate for responsible use, and focus in on those who abuse and set them free... all at the same time.

My sister just endured a year of debilitating chemo treatments. She smoked weed when she was young. Also knew about medical marijuana being used for people who were being treated with chemo. Do you know why she chose not to use the weed to treat the negative effects of chemo? I know more about hormonal effects from food, chemicals, emotions and our surroundings, then you. In weightlifting, what works for one athlete may not work for another. Because one BCCA, or supplement cannot do its job, if other factors are employed. Someone who is telling you a vegan diet is profitable to them, doesn't mean it will be profitable to you or i. Because we are not all the same. Telling me I'm broadbrushing this subject is what you are actually doing. Because you are clueless about human physiology. But wait? You are EMS? You would have to know these things? But the question is why would you believe a natural substance will work for everyone in the situations you had mentioned? You understanding the body works would know that? Right?

So, while THC might work for these people, it might work for none of the other group, and there may have a group who had a bad reaction? Again, you are playing Russian Roulette. With souls, and all you can give is dramatic tear jerking stories as you always do.

Originally Posted by Aquila

It's very dynamic and multifaceted approach. We can come out of the darkness of outdated paradigms that say, "Fire burn. Fire bad.",

That is a stupid thing to say. I haven't been talking about 1936 film Reefer Madness. I'm speaking about what I know, Votive, and 1ofthechosen are posting about what they know. All three of us been there done that, and found that the power of Jesus Christ' Holy Ghost is the only way.

Originally Posted by Aquila

and realize that fire, while powerful, isn't bad in and of itself. It can be used for great good and great evil. Fire can keep a family warm and alive through winter. Fire can cook food. Fire can also be used by an arsonist to perpetrate great evil against another. But it isn't fire that is evil. It is the heart of those individuals involved that must be discerned. Just saying "Fire burn. Fire bad. Ban fire" isn't an honest approach to any issue.

This one quote proves your cluelessness concerning this subject.

Putting more narcotics legal, is using gasoline to put out a fire. People having a barbeque take a gas can to start the grill. Not a good look. You wanting to take away prohibitions to make America free is blood on your head. Again, you are the kid who was smoking oregano pin joints in High School and later became an expert on reefer.

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