What's the difference?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

First, this is a forum for apostolics. This isn't a secular forum. So no, I'm not going to just roll with the discussion.

It's not only you, but you have promoted drinking alcohol.

"""Personally, I enjoy opening a bottle of wine on the holidays, especially when I'm cooking. I'll pour a glass for myself, Christina, and/or any guests who wish to have one. As I cook, I'll sip the wine. It makes the experience enjoyable, people relax, laugh, and are filled with joy."""

"""At the end of the day, having an alcoholic beverage in and of itself isn't a "sin". Having a glass of wine while cooking dinner isn't a "sin". Having a glass of Champaign on New Year's Eve isn't a "sin". Having a cold beer over grilled hamburgers and hotdogs on the 4th of July isn't a "sin". Having a glass of wine with the lights turned down low after a romantic dinner with one's spouse isn't a "sin"."""

"""The blessing of wine and alcoholic beverages is witnessed in Scripture as a part of celebration. There is no sin in imbibing on celebratory occasions."""

These posts and others actively show your support and advocating of drinking wine, beer and alcohol.

Then there's the ginger on a binger:
"""I have an occasional drink, usually very high quality stuff, that is a treat."""

"""Going for a nice shepards pie, cheesecake, and 2 fingers of really nice single malt scotch, is called having dinner."""

I was only giving an example of what moderation is about in comparison to what the B-I-B-L-E describes as drunkenness. If someone doesn't wish to drink, I have no problem with that. In fact, I don't remember the last time I had anything alcoholic to drink. I assure you, I'm not sitting around sipping Schnapps all day.

I think you're stressing yourself out over something that isn't even being said.

Sure. Because CBD and MM are the wonder cures!

No. No one said that CBD and MM are "wonder cures". However, the truth, you know, the reality, the irrefutable facts... is that MM has helped many people with many different conditions. People who tried prescription drugs and they didn't help a bit. If a child is having 17 seizures a day, and the child has even stopped breathing on occasion, who would deny the child something that has been able to prevent seizures in so many other children? If a man has Parkinson's and can barely talk, walk across his home, and make a sandwich for himself, but MM minimizes the tremors, allowing him to speak, walk, and even make his own lunch, who would deny it to him? It's safer than the prescription meds, even with side effects factored in.

Look, a certain someone painted me bad. He painted a picture of me sitting around smoking joints admonishing everyone to toke up. Brother, please understand, that was a brazen mischaracterization of me, my intent, and what I'm saying. If you drop that mischaracterization, and rationally see what I'm saying, I trust that you'll not think on this strange track that you're thinking now. Why would I sit around smoking dope? Why would I be on an Apostolic forum advocating such? It's illogical. If I were doing that, this is the last place I'd waste my time in. The truth is, you're only seeing the illusion of me that someone else has created in your head. Read the words I've typed. If someone purposefully misconstrues what is being clear said, make note, and perhaps confront the person for the mischaracterization. I sense that you're stressing over something here that isn't even a reality. Don't pay emotional capital on illusions.

It's a bit more than that. From describing Pastors as Sith Lords to your rants about plastic saints and fake preachers. No part of a Pastor, ministry, church or service goes unscathed.

I know wonderful pastors. And yes, they wear suits. And yes, they are part of various organizations. They are good godly men. And I do mention them. But people tend to ignore the statements I make about them. For example, I've mentioned a pastor who has admitted that he believes being shaven is a reflection of a clean image in our society, and so he admonishes men to shave. However... he doesn't argue that it is a "sin" not to either. He's truthful. He expresses that it is only his opinion. He's a good and honest man. And there are many men like them. When I talk about pastors being "Sith Lords", "Borg drones", and "plastic saints", or being "fakes"... I'm talking about those who have truly earned those labels. Men who teach traditions of men as doctrine, men who are loyal to human organization to the disunity of the wider body, men who refuse to own their opinions and hide behind the false premise that the Bible supports their legalistic edicts, extortion, or buffoonery. Men who are truly... false teachers. The Bible mentions false prophets, false teachers, idol shepherds, etc. too. There are good men of God that I know. I am not talking about them. And if you know good men of God, I'm not talking about them either. I'm talking about those who, as I explained, earned the label. Now, I do apologize if someone you look up too has earned that label and you feel my words scathe them. But let me ask you, is that my fault? I don't even know them. I'm only pointing out something that I see in Scripture and have seen in those false teachers that I've encountered. If this frustrates you, don't attack me. Evaluate if that pastor is truly earning such a label. If so, again, that isn't my fault. That man owns it.

Oh good grief. Talk about lunacy.

It's looney to point out that the definition of "Apostolic" is largely based on the forms and fashions of the mid 1900's? That isn't lunacy, that's just true.

My point is... what is "Apostolic" is defined by Scripture... not the forms and fashions of the mid 1900's.