Demons and the believer

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Explain power of the air. Also explain how the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience is a non human conscious entity controlling a hierarchy of fallen angels or other god-like beings that we are to supposedly wrestle against, rather than it being the spirit of rebellion common to sinful man.

Where does the Spirit of rebellion come from? Apart from Satan there is none. Especially since I know you don't believe. We are born in shaped in iniquity.

Bro the principality of the power of the air is Satan himself. There's no rebellion acting on its own initiaive. Now us being free moral agents we can decide to yield to it, but otherwise it's completely outside. Once it's in it could be man just acting on his own will, but before that where does the natural inclination to sin come from?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Where does the Spirit of rebellion come from? Apart from Satan there is none. Especially since I know you don't believe. We are born in shaped in iniquity.

Bro the principality of the power of the air is Satan himself. There's no rebellion acting on its own initiaive. Now us being free moral agents we can decide to yield to it, but otherwise it's completely outside. Once it's in it could be man just acting on his own will, but before that where does the natural inclination to sin come from?

Could you quote some Scripture and show how it teaches that there is a hierarchical kingdom of powerful god-like beings controlling nations and individuals? And how all sin is the devil's fault, as you seem to believe?

I have already showed scripture which unequivocally states that sin comes from our own desires, that powers and principalities are secular (worldly, whether civil or religious) powers, that the Christian warfare is spiritual and not fantasy ADandD LARPing, is ideological and not mythological, and so forth, so I'll not repost it yet again

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Explain power of the air. Also explain how the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience is a non human conscious entity controlling a hierarchy of fallen angels or other god-like beings that we are to supposedly wrestle against, rather than it being the spirit of rebellion common to sinful man.

Bro this is all very simple what happened in the garden was for no other reason then to steal Dominion that was given at the creation of man in Genesis 1:26, and which he carried out in the forming of man in Genesis 2.

So when they chose to disobey God and listen to the serpent the scripture is true "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey." They gave Dominion away. God didn't just come slap the Dominion away from the devil but he has a short time, and even shorter at the glorification of Jesus and the day of Pentecost. Although this is still rightfully his world, because man gave him Dominion. They gave him a right to this economy. And he is at work behind every unregenerate man, and behind the men in High places.

Though men do carry these things out, it's still the devil and the 1/3 angels behind all this. There is a fight between kingdoms., Always being carried out.(as we see in Daniel 10:13, and Revelation 12:7-8) Now while when you yield yourself to his bidding long enough his will becomes yours, I can see that. Which is the same with the Holy Ghost and the things of God the more I yield myself to Him and His will, His desires become my desires.

I don't believe the devil and demons are to blame as much as people say. They aren't behind every flat tire, and bad judgement by the government. But they do play a factor. There is a danger in over emphasizing the works of the devil, while there is also a danger in minimizing them. So I guess thats why I got so fired up about this. Just tell me you don't believe like the revelationist and I'll let it go.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Could you quote some Scripture and show how it teaches that there is a hierarchical kingdom of powerful god-like beings controlling nations and individuals? And how all sin is the devil's fault, as you seem to believe?

I have already showed scripture which unequivocally states that sin comes from our own desires, that powers and principalities are secular (worldly, whether civil or religious) powers, that the Christian warfare is spiritual and not fantasy ADandD LARPing, is ideological and not mythological, and so forth, so I'll not repost it yet again

.a few pages back I went Into detail about this also, no reason to restate it.

But I never said they were God like beings anymore then the angels are. They are no.match for anyone with the Holy Ghost. That's why the Bible says what we have are: "which things angels desire to look into."

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Could you quote some Scripture and show how it teaches that there is a hierarchical kingdom of powerful god-like beings controlling nations and individuals? And how all sin is the devil's fault, as you seem to believe?

I have already showed scripture which unequivocally states that sin comes from our own desires, that powers and principalities are secular (worldly, whether civil or religious) powers, that the Christian warfare is spiritual and not fantasy ADandD LARPing, is ideological and not mythological, and so forth, so I'll not repost it yet again

Esaias out of curiosity, do you believe Lucifer in the OT is referring to strictly a man?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Esaias out of curiosity, do you believe Lucifer in the OT is referring to strictly a man?

Yes, the Bible calls the King of Babylon "Lucifer" which is not in either the Hebrew or the Greek, but the Latin Vulgate. It is a translation for a Hebrew title of distinction associated with the planet Venus, and is not a personal name of a chief fallen angel.

Lucifer = the Devil is catholic mythology.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Yes, the Bible calls the King of Babylon "Lucifer" which is not in either the Hebrew or the Greek, but the Latin Vulgate. It is a translation for a Hebrew title of distinction associated with the planet Venus, and is not a personal name of a chief fallen angel.

Lucifer = the Devil is catholic mythology.

Excellent!

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Yes, the Bible calls the King of Babylon "Lucifer" which is not in either the Hebrew or the Greek, but the Latin Vulgate. It is a translation for a Hebrew title of distinction associated with the planet Venus, and is not a personal name of a chief fallen angel.

Lucifer = the Devil is catholic mythology.

So who is this in Revelation 13:3-4? Or so many other places in the Bible..

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

So who is this in Revelation 13:3-4? Or so many other places in the Bible..

There are 2 who’s there.

[Aquila]

If there is no Satan, who possessed, or took the form of a serpent, in Eden?