Demons and the believer

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

So 2 Corinthians 4:4 NLT Says "4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God"

Is this true or not and how can your rectify what your claiming and make it jazz with this? Not explain something else entirely but it all has to fit together, so give a teaching on this.

The word Satan is not in that verse, it does not quite say what you think it says.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

So 2 Corinthians 4:4 NLT Says "4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God"

Is this true or not and how can your rectify what your claiming and make it jazz with this? Not explain something else entirely but it all has to fit together, so give a teaching on this.

2 Corinthians 4:4 where is the word Satan?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The word Satan is not in that verse, it does not quite say what you think it says.

But ask Jesus, who blinded who lest they should be converted?

Mark 13:14-15?

[mizpeh]

YET, the meaning of the term as demonic hierarchies never did get established. There is no verse which teaches a demonic hierarchy called "powers and principalities". It's just tossed out there by the apostle as if everyone knew what it meant. So what does it mean? Exactly what it says: authorities, and it is used consistently by the apostle.

I already explained this previously. As for Boyd, I'm not debating him, he's not here. And that's all I'll say about him.

Paul would never say to submit to devils. He was not telling Titus to submit or be subject to demons. So in Titus 3, Paul is speaking about human government. I'm not equivocating the meaning but trying to take it in context and not give it just one meaning! Ephesians 6 is clear to me that Paul is not speaking of human principalities and powers because of our fight is not with humans (flesh and blood). Col 2:15 I would take that to be speaking of Christ defeating the one who had the power of death, the devil. Heb 2:14


Why don't you read God at War? I have the book and have never read it. I already know what is in it from listening to Boyd preach on the subject. I got it out to find something more academic than I could provide you about what I believe.

[berkeley]

E and EB,

You should collaborate a thread and teach what the bible does say about demons.

[berkeley]

Why don't you read God at War?

He’s not into fiction.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Also θεὸς isn't lower case.

John 12:40 and Romans 11:25 says God blinded them partially.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

2 Corinthians 4:4 where is the word Satan?

NLT I know it's not in the KJV. But I seen that translation and shared it.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

NLT I know it's not in the KJV. But I seen that translation and shared it.

NLT isn't a translation of the Greek. It is an interpretation of the translator.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Mark 7:15 and James 1:14-15 refute this notion without remedy.



I am sure you did not mean to suggest Jesus affirmed they were biologically descended from Satan? Yes, their father was the devil, because they acted like him. What devil is He speaking of? Since the Bible term "devil" is a generic word applied to many things, the question must be asked and answered. The verse you supplied suggests the devil spoken of here is Cain, the first murderer, the murder from "the beginning" (Genesis).

It is not the devil of catholic mythology, though, for that devil was supposedly in the beginning the heavenly choir master and a wonderful angel, not a murderer. So, as usual, pagan myths refute themselves because they are contradictory, just like what was shown: n the Enoch thread re: fallen angels.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



Judas was already a devil - John 6:70. Satan entering Judas is not about a demon possessing him or influencing him. Again, you need to think of Satan as the BIBLE describes the term, not as the RCC Catechism defines it.



Yes, and thus 1 Cor 2:8 identifies THEM as the "princes of this world", not an invisible hierarchy of demons.

Why do you bring the RCC catechism into this? I don't read their writings. Red herring.

I fixed that sentence in the last post. It should have had the word 'not'.

Jesus is saying the same devil in the beginning that influenced Cain is influencing the religious Jews. The devil influenced Cain to murder. Cain committed the murder. The devil is influencing these Jews to murder Jesus.
Do you think the Jews' response to Jesus after he accused them of having the devil as a father reflects your thoughts on this subject?

Sorry if I don't get back to this thread. I have to study for a test.