Are we to repent for our ancestors past sins?

[TakingDominion]

Originally Posted by n david

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No response to the latter contradiction?

First you say it's not a matter of salvation, then you claim that if one refuses to do it, they're somehow implicated in the sin of the dead ancestor.

Which begs another question: how is possible to be implicated in the sin of a dead ancestor who committed the sin decades or centuries before?

Reading this thread for the first time, and I can't help but wonder. Are CO238 and Aquila the same person? Cousins maybe? Certainly cut from the same cloth.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by TakingDominion

Reading this thread for the first time, and I can't help but wonder. Are CO238 and Aquila the same person? Cousins maybe? Certainly cut from the same cloth.

My vote is no.
A has been here for quite a while and while he is caught up in the SJW at least he can be reasoned with every now and then.
CO - I truthfully fear for him. He takes ANY statement that questions his belief as a personal attack.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TakingDominion

Reading this thread for the first time, and I can't help but wonder. Are CO238 and Aquila the same person? Cousins maybe? Certainly cut from the same cloth.

The difference is, that when you knock on one of their doors, you only hear this at one. You decide.

[TakingDominion]

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[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

You are completely twisting what I posted, Aquila.

Please show me where we have a LEVITICAL priest system with a HIGH PRIEST who offers an ANNUAL SACRIFICE for our sin.


Apples and peanut butter, Aquila. Not anywhere near what I was saying.

I was referring to this statement:

Originally Posted by n david

The cross changed everything. We no longer have priests or a human High Priest who offers a yearly sacrifice for our sin. Instead, when we repent of our sins and are baptized in Jesus Name, they are buried and gone.

My point is that we are all kings and priests, a royal priesthood:

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

And we do have a High Priest:

Hebrews 4:14
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Our High Priest offered Himself as a sacrifice once and for all. However, the ministry of the priesthood, intercession, is a part of our calling as the body of Christ. We intercede on behalf of a fallen world - our ancestors, forefathers, families, communities, cities, states, and earthly nations.

Our intercession regarding the present is to pray that men be reconciled to God. However, with regards to our ancestors, it is an obvious imperative that we right whatever wrongs their sins have brought upon the societies we live in. Many Christians took a stand against the violent oppression of the Roman Catholic Papacy and brought change, many Christians took a stand against slavery, child labor, for women's suffrage, against discrimination, and even today in the inhuman treatment of illegal aliens, sex trafficking, abortion, and organ harvesting.

One cannot be salt and light and not seek to right the wrongs produced by the sins of our fathers.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

1) No we do not have any responsibility to right the wrongs done by dead ancestors.

2) No we are not implicated in any sin for not doing so.

Then why oppose legal abortion? Wasn't that a sin of the past generation, producing a wrong many believe prohibition would make right? Even Christians who do not oppose "legal abortion" support measures to help women in unplanned pregnancies and provide more options to choose life, thereby reducing the abortion rate.

Also, you just contradicted yourself...

Being "implicated" in sin would affect salvation. But I'm sure you're going to 'splain that away and say it's multifaceted or what have you.

Heaven is a rather dynamic place, it isn't a communist eternity wherein we're all equal before Christ for eternity. There will be various measures of blessing and reward in the New Earth based on one's Christian walk. To be implicated in the sins of our ancestors will bring shame and loss of reward, not damnation. For it wasn't originally our sin.

Do you believe that a Christian should oppose discrimination? Most do. For a Christian to not oppose discrimination would be to be acquiescing to the sin of racial of injustice. And thereby, such a Christian would be implicated in the sin. You're supposing such a Christian would be condemned to Hell. I'm saying they will face shame before our Lord and loss of reward, yet they will be saved, yet so as by fire.

So, in my position, it isn't a contradiction. It is only a contradiction if I held your understanding. That's why it appears as being a contradiction... to you.

Failing to right wrong perpetuated by the sin of our ancestors may not cause one the loss of their salvation, but not acting to right the wrongs of our ancestor's sin could bring shame and loss of reward in eternity.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by TakingDominion

Reading this thread for the first time, and I can't help but wonder. Are CO238 and Aquila the same person? Cousins maybe? Certainly cut from the same cloth.

I don't believe we are any relation. If so, I'd like to know. lol

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The difference is, that when you knock on one of their doors, you only hear this at one. You decide.

LOL

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The difference is, that when you knock on one of their doors, you only hear this at one. You decide.

Knock on my door, and you'll hear this...

If you want a revolution, you have to think like a... revolutionary.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by TakingDominion

Reading this thread for the first time, and I can't help but wonder. Are CO238 and Aquila the same person? Cousins maybe? Certainly cut from the same cloth.

no, Bro Chris would not err on the side of racism.