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11-03-2018, 01:28 AM
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Re: Brother Lee Stoneking's Preaching
Stoneking lost all credibility a long time ago.
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11-03-2018, 04:08 PM
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Re: Brother Lee Stoneking's Preaching
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11-03-2018, 08:49 PM
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Re: Brother Lee Stoneking's Preaching
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Stoneking lost all credibility a long time ago.
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Not in the eyes of many UPC folks. He is still held in high esteem. It's not like he recently started saying off the wall things. He has been doing that for decades. If he was going to lose credibility it would have happened a long time ago.
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"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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11-03-2018, 09:09 PM
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Re: Brother Lee Stoneking's Preaching
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Not in the eyes of many UPC folks. He is still held in high esteem. It's not like he recently started saying off the wall things. He has been doing that for decades. If he was going to lose credibility it would have happened a long time ago.
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I agree with you here. My question for everyone here and this isn't specifically about Stoneking, but this is said in general. "When do you cross a line from being just terribly mistaken about something, to a false teacher and just untruthful?" Can you just recycle asinine stories forever and the latter not be said about you sometime? When does that line get crossed? Would you have to fall away from the faith first? Or could it happen while someone was still filling a pulpit?
I just wonder, it's just a analytical question don't loose the hounds on me...
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11-03-2018, 11:49 PM
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Re: Brother Lee Stoneking's Preaching
He knows what he’s doing. “He builds faith.” The ends justify the means.
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11-04-2018, 01:38 AM
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Re: Brother Lee Stoneking's Preaching
We build faith by telling the truth. Sharing urban legends may be exciting, but excitement is not the same as edification.
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11-04-2018, 04:18 AM
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Re: Brother Lee Stoneking's Preaching
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He knows what he’s doing. “He builds faith.” The ends justify the means.
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Faith in Stoneking.
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11-04-2018, 05:13 AM
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Re: Brother Lee Stoneking's Preaching
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Faith in Stoneking.
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It would be more akin to eating the fish and spitting out the bones.
The merger brethren came together on the premise of agreeing to disagree.
If we were to scrutinize "carefully" all our renown Pentecostal ministers we would be amazed to disappointed. I have my criticisms of Brother Stoneking, some here have even read my critiques. But, I have found in my old age that there are people out there who are eating the fish and spitting out the bones. Telling the truth Scott? Then you better look at your Harry Morse and Azusa Street a little closer, because you may find out the utter fantasies that they all believed and conveyed over the years. We all have the luxury (and curse) of the internet. If we all haven't relayed a "fake news" story in our life like it was the truth because we heard from someone or read it somewhere then God bless us. Is Brother Stoneking a theological scholar? Not to me, but he has said things which I have found to be dead on correct in times I needed to hear them. Hey, take it for what its worth.
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11-04-2018, 05:59 AM
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Re: Brother Lee Stoneking's Preaching
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It would be more akin to eating the fish and spitting out the bones.
The merger brethren came together on the premise of agreeing to disagree.
If we were to scrutinize "carefully" all our renown Pentecostal ministers we would be amazed to disappointed. I have my criticisms of Brother Stoneking, some here have even read my critiques. But, I have found in my old age that there are people out there who are eating the fish and spitting out the bones. Telling the truth Scott? Then you better look at your Harry Morse and Azusa Street a little closer, because you may find out the utter fantasies that they all believed and conveyed over the years. We all have the luxury (and curse) of the internet. If we all haven't relayed a "fake news" story in our life like it was the truth because we heard from someone or read it somewhere then God bless us. Is Brother Stoneking a theological scholar? Not to me, but he has said things which I have found to be dead on correct in times I needed to hear them. Hey, take it for what its worth.
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I think some of us feel as if someone MUST be right every time and if we are wrong once we are incapabale of redemption or redemption only after much time and being "sat down" if at all.
I agree with you.
I think we should eat what meat there is to be found and spit out the bones.
We should all be looking to grow and develop and with that growth and development there has to be room for error and some learning experiences.
In cases like Stoneking I think we have him placed on this high pedestal and we figure by now he should already have this thing down to a fine science and be as far from error as can be.
It forces us to re examine what we feel about the goal of being right 100% of the time and being free from the possibility of error after a certain spiritual status is achieved.
Maybe we ourselves long for that percieved level of "perfection" and we see any "error" as a man of higher status failing in his weaker spiritual discipline and relationship for surely if we ourselves had ascended unto such lofty heights of annointing we would NEVER commit such egregious error.
It is a disheartening thing when the gods we make unto ourselves crumble in our own eyes
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11-04-2018, 06:13 AM
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Re: Brother Lee Stoneking's Preaching
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It is a disheartening thing when the gods we make unto ourselves crumble in our own eyes
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Yes.
My father was an atheist. I loved and respected him greatly. Yet, even prior to my entering into Apostolic movement, I couldn't believe some of his opinions. Opinions which he felt were absolute fact. He was a genius in his ability to build, repair, and construct anything. He was a master plumber, but his expertise covered a lot more. His wisdom on life and where our culture was heading was unparalleled. He was a prepper before preppers were cool. But with all my love and respect, I knew that some of his beliefs on certain subjects were incorrect, false, absolutely fabricated because they were based on hear say. We never got engaged in argument, or heated debate. He was a old skool Sicilian American male, and for a son to dare challenge their father in such a way disrespectfully would of meant stoning. 
Yet, we had our long lengthy discussions, and I ate the fish and spit out all the bones. Those bones were sucked clean. 
He has passed, and I miss him.
I miss his wit, wisdom, and his passion for construction.
But he wasn't always right, and made some big blunders.
But, his credibility with me endured, because I learned to see what was good in his words, and leave the bad behind.
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