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Esaias · #**141** 01-01-2019, 11:24 AM

The "office of the son", or the "sonship", has NOT ended. Sonship involves the following:

1. Humanity. Jesus was raised immortal, therefore will never cease to be a resurrected immortal human being. Therefore His sonship continues.

2. Mediation. He is still Mediator.

3. Messiah kingship. He is still Christ (Messiah).

4. Priesthood. He abides a priest forever, thus Sonship continues, after the order of Melchizedek.

The office of Son continues.

Michael The Disciple · #**142** 01-01-2019, 12:35 PM

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Brother Blume and I were arguing with someone a while back in the Debate section with someone saying there is no Son of God at present. I think that was TJJJ?

SC Johnson if I remember correctly taught there is no Son of God in heaven, that Jesus is now God, not the Son of God.

It was SC and there are Church groups that still hold this to their demise.

Apostle Paul believed God and his Son were both in Heaven at present.

1 Thess 1:9-10

9For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; 10And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Let Oneness doctrine agree with Apostolic teaching!

1ofthechosen · #**143** 01-01-2019, 09:08 PM

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So just to be clear, is Jesus the son of God right now? Sounds like you are saying he became the Almighty and is no longer Gods son.

Jesus is the Son of God absolutely. But what the purpose of the Sonship was is to bring a perfect sacrifice. That sacrifice was brought, and that office has been fulfilled. And by that every point you just made Esaias is currently through that sacrifice. The image of the Invisible God. The Bible reveals He is currently the Almighty. Whatever Paul wrote earlier, John wrote something later and he was revealed something more in depth of Jesus.

All throughout the Book He stops being called the Son of God after Chapter 4 no reference to it, after that He's called the Almighty. Why because the Sonship has been fulfilled the blood of the Son stands as witness just as the blood over the door did in Egypt. Death, hell, and the grave have been defeated. Are people still going absolutely. But the Sonship conquered it already, at it's fullfilment. Is there a Son absolutely but the book of Revelation is foreshadowing what Paul spoke in 1 Corinthians 15 what he promised would come 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 KJVS:
"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. [23] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. [24] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. [25] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. [26] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. [27] For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted which did put all things under him. [28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

Now honestly I can see it as a foreshadowing of things that are going to happen in the Book of Revelation that He gave to John . The book is called the unveiling or the the revealing of Jesus Christ. So while this is something that is going to come to pass, God is in all time spans so it's already as it is in Heaven. I don't know the Words to put this in. But the Sonship has been full filled, but it doesn't mean while we are still where we are in time that He's ceased to be the Son. While at the Same time He presently is the Almighty in Heavenly places. There will be a time when no one will remember any of this and then God once again will be all in all.

Esaias · #**144** 01-01-2019, 11:18 PM

If the office of Son has ceased then He is no longer Son.

If the office of Son has ceased He is no longer our Mediator.

If the office of Son has ceased He is no longer Messiah.

If the office of Son has ceased He is no longer our High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek.

Somebody show where the apostles explained "office of Son", how it is different than Jesus being the Son of God, and where and when this "office" will cease.

hometown guy · #**145** 01-02-2019, 12:25 AM

The office of the son has not ceased.

votivesoul · #**146** 01-02-2019, 12:58 AM

1 John 5:11 read that eternal life is in God's Son.

If the life we are going to live is eternal, and that life is in God's Son, then God's Son is likewise eternal, meaning there is no end to the Son of God, in any capacity. What will (apparently?) come to an end is the Son of God's rule over the universe; He will deliver it up to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:24) after the Father has made all of His enemies His footstool according to the Psalm 110:1-2 prophecy.

consapente89 · #**147** 01-02-2019, 06:00 AM

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1 John 5:11 read that eternal life is in God's Son.

If the life we are going to live is eternal, and that life is in God's Son, then God's Son is likewise eternal, meaning there is no end to the Son of God, in any capacity. What will (apparently?) come to an end is the Son of God's rule over the universe; He will deliver it up to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:24) after the Father has made all of His enemies His footstool according to the Psalm 110:1-2 prophecy.

Eternal means without beginning OR end. The Son of God is not eternal. There was no Son prior to the incarnation. The "Eternal Son" is a trinitarian doctrine.

hometown guy · #**148** 01-02-2019, 10:42 AM

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Eternal means without beginning OR end. The Son of God is not eternal. There was no Son prior to the incarnation. The "Eternal Son" is a trinitarian doctrine.

Michael The Disciple · #**149** 01-02-2019, 10:44 AM

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Eternal means without beginning OR end. The Son of God is not eternal. There was no Son prior to the incarnation. The "Eternal Son" is a trinitarian doctrine.

So when we believe does that mean we had no beginning?

Esaias · #**150** 01-02-2019, 12:13 PM

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Eternal means without beginning OR end. The Son of God is not eternal. There was no Son prior to the incarnation. The "Eternal Son" is a trinitarian doctrine.

Actually, "eternal" does not mean "without beginning". Although it is used that way in theology, erroneously I might add.

The Greek is "unto/into the age/ages/ages of ages", and means essentially "lasting through the ages", ie "without end".