Holy Ghost

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You said it's basically jibber jabber. Ergo, not real. You judged yourself.

On an open public forum, even.

Can't remember the last time you prayed? Why not? Why don't you pray? Is it because all this time you suspected religion was a con, a game, a front, a giant LARP? And finally decided to quit playing the game?

Ask yourself this: "Do I actually believe Jesus really, literally, came out of that tomb? Resurrected immortal? And if I do believe it, WHY EXACTLY DO I BELIEVE IT? And if I don't believe it, did I ever really, in fact, believe it? Or was I just playing a long game of let's pretend?"

I actually said whatever I can do now is identical to what I did then. I did receive the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues. If that was real then this is real too but we all know this can’t be real now. Thus my only conclusion is that since I wasn’t faking anything all those years ago that the Real thing is actually a fake.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I actually said whatever I can do now is identical to what I did then. I did receive the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues. If that was real then this is real too but we all know this can’t be real now. Thus my only conclusion is that since I wasn’t faking anything all those years ago that the Real thing is actually a fake.

I will say it. I don’t believe you. Not saying you are a liar, you might just be deceived.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

I will say it. I don’t believe you. Not saying you are a liar, you might just be deceived.

Right, because that is obviously the only explanation...

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Maybe you should listen instead of just pushing your agenda.

I spoke in tongues and received the Holy Ghost. I no longer attend church and rarely pray. I can speak in tongues now and there is no discernible difference in the tongues I can speak now and the tongues I spoke then. The same feeling, the same emotional release etc.

No agenda... you just dont have the goods thats all. You dont pray or go to church, you have no relationship with God. You need a good old dose of true repentance be filled with the holy ghost and be faithful to a good apostolic church.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Right, because that is obviously the only explanation...

jf - do you believe in a God or an afterlife?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

jf - do you believe in a God or an afterlife?

I’m not sure. Kinda sorta maybe sometimes?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

No agenda... you just dont have the goods thats all. You dont pray or go to church, you have no relationship with God. You need a good old dose of true repentance be filled with the holy ghost and be faithful to a good apostolic church.

I have been filled with the holy ghost

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Maybe you should listen instead of just pushing your agenda.

I spoke in tongues and received the Holy Ghost. I no longer attend church and rarely pray. I can speak in tongues now and there is no discernible difference in the tongues I can speak now and the tongues I spoke then. The same feeling, the same emotional release etc.

Funny thing is, I can't find a single Scripture that identifies the Holy Ghost baptism in particular, or speaking in tongues in general, with any "feeling, emotional release", or anything of the sort, except that those who received the Spirit were usually magnifying God and rejoicing.

I think you may have mistaken an emotional catharsis for a genuine regeneration by the Spirit. Something all the "early Pentecostals" warned about...

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I actually said whatever I can do now is identical to what I did then. I did receive the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues. If that was real then this is real too but we all know this can’t be real now. Thus my only conclusion is that since I wasn’t faking anything all those years ago that the Real thing is actually a fake.

How is it you can't see the utter irrationality of your thought process here? If you got "the Real thang" at one point how can it be fake? If it is actually a fake then by definition it isn't teh Realz™.

I suppose you are saying the Pentecostal experience is not a spiritual reality but a psych trick, that can be duplicated?

Did you know practitioners of certain types of yoga experience glossolalia? And shakes, crying, powerful emotional catharsis, overwhelming feelings both emotional and physical (love, joy, electric shocks, heat/fire, wind, etc)?

And isn't it interesting that the Bible never identifies emotions or sensations as proof of the genuineness of a moving of the Spirit? Speaking in tongues, magnifying God, rejoicing, prophesying, etc, are all listed as signs or evidences, but never PROOF. The NT shows people in undeniably "pentecostal" church communities who TURN OUT TO BE fakes, frauds, charlatans, apostates, antichrists, false teachers, liars, deceivers, agents of Satan, backsliders, sinners, reprobates, and even having unclean/evil spirits. Yet they, for a time, passed incognito in churches founded upon a definitely ecstatic spiritual conversion experience. How so?

Because they could look and act the part just as good as anyone else. But eventually, they get exposed, leave, get found out, or walk away, etc. Why? Because God does in fact prune His vine.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I’m not sure. Kinda sorta maybe sometimes?

Did you previously believe in God, and that Jesus His Son rose from the dead?