All trinatarians are lost! - Page 19

Evang.Benincasa · #**181** 01-13-2019, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Costeon

I hope Trinitarians of sincere faith in Jesus Christ and trust in His sacrifice on the Cross will be saved.

Why not just tell them the truth?

Oh, I forgot we are in the United States 2019.

Evang.Benincasa · #**182** 01-13-2019, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Costeon

There are plenty of Trinitarians who have been filled with the Spirit with the sign of speaking in other tongues. Are they lost?

David Moses Berg's Children of God spoke in tongues like Chinamen at a fire drill. Jesus said that they would call Him Lord, Lord, but He would tell them to get away. The road is narrow and the gate is almost shut, that leads to eternal life. Only a few will find it. I see you desire to be nicer than Jesus, and therefore you place your own thoughts and emotions within your own personal religion. That may make you feel better about yourself, and others, but it isn't Bible. It ins't Jesus' teachings. So, sorry, but Trinitarians are lost and all those like John Calvin, David Wilkerson, Moody, Spurgeon, are dead and lost.

Evang.Benincasa · #**183** 01-13-2019, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Costeon

So in short, we are saved by correct knowledge as well as by faith in Jesus Christ?

So much for you shall know the truth, and the TRUTH shall make you free.

Evang.Benincasa · #**184** 01-13-2019, 07:38 AM

This is it

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So in short, we are saved by correct knowledge as well as by faith in Jesus Christ?

This is the mind set which created the SJW Church Industrial Complex.

Where people don't need the Bible taken away from them. But the Bible becomes irrelevant to them. Instead of study and research. They get the Costeons of this world hand them the short list to be baptized in Jesus' name and be baptized in the Spirit, and believe in one God and believe that Jesus is both human and divine. While that may make an Apostolic shout their hair down until their oatmeal box flies out. It is pretty vague, and therefore needs further definition. But, Costeon only offered that list because he was trying to trip up the Apostolic. If he was talking to a Trinitarian, he would of modified the list. Why? Because they have a different short list. All in all, the whole thing leads to the ditch. Soteriology is morphed into whatever suits the group during that space in time. Looks like Jesus was right about the broadway, and the super wide gate, and the zillions who are flowing into it.

Costeon · #**185** 01-13-2019, 10:44 AM

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Not trying to understand me correctly....

On the contrary, I am very interested in understanding exactly what someone means when they confidently assign large groups of people to hell.

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Jesus himself said unles you believe that I am He you shall die in your sins.

Trinitarians would say they believe what Jesus said here. They have a different view from Oneness, a misunderstanding. You confidently say a misunderstanding damns people, and so the point is that you do think a person is saved by their ability to understand a doctrine precisely, regardless if they have experienced the right things.

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chances are if someone has done all the above though they know who he is.

When you assign people to hell, I don't think you can take a "chances are" approach and waver at all. In short, according to your view, it seems, that someone could experience all the right things but still be lost if they did not think the right things.

Apostolic1ness · #**186** 01-13-2019, 01:14 PM

EB we have been waiting on your return.

Esaias · #**187** 01-13-2019, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Costeon

On the contrary, I am very interested in understanding exactly what someone means when they confidently assign large groups of people to hell.

Trinitarians would say they believe what Jesus said here. They have a different view from Oneness, a misunderstanding. You confidently say a misunderstanding damns people, and so the point is that you do think a person is saved by their ability to understand a doctrine precisely, regardless if they have experienced the right things.

When you assign people to hell, I don't think you can take a "chances are" approach and waver at all. In short, according to your view, it seems, that someone could experience all the right things but still be lost if they did not think the right things.

Are you suggesting that correct knowledge/belief/doctrine is not required for salvation?

Can you point out the Scriptures which say the things you are affirming?

Costeon · #**188** 01-13-2019, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Are you suggesting that correct knowledge/belief/doctrine is not required for salvation?

Can you point out the Scriptures which say the things you are affirming?

I'm suggesting that, for example, I can believe in one God and that Jesus is the human manifestation of that God but perhaps not have a precisely accurate understanding of those truths or be able to articulate those beliefs in the most accurate way. I don't think I'm lost if it turns out I am mistaken in my understanding while looking to Jesus alone for salvation.

Or, let's say that I have experienced all of Acts 2:38 but perhaps have what many would regard as a faulty understanding of Acts 2:38--the old PCI view that salvation itself comes at repentance--I don't think that if I am wrong in this understanding that I'm lost because of a faulty understanding.

Esaias · #**189** 01-13-2019, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Costeon

I'm suggesting that, for example, I can believe in one God and that Jesus is the human manifestation of that God but perhaps not have a precisely accurate understanding of those truths or be able to articulate those beliefs in the most accurate way. I don't think I'm lost if it turns out I am mistaken in my understanding while looking to Jesus alone for salvation.

Or, let's say that I have experienced all of Acts 2:38 but perhaps have what many would regard as a faulty understanding of Acts 2:38--the old PCI view that salvation itself comes at repentance--I don't think that if I am wrong in this understanding that I'm lost because of a faulty understanding.

I was hoping you could provide the scriptures that say what you are saying?

Costeon · #**190** 01-13-2019, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

I was hoping you could provide the scriptures that say what you are saying?

I am not aware of any verses that teach that a rigorously accurate understanding of a doctrine is a prerequisite for salvation. I see several verses that command a course of action or to believe and confess something, but not if you don't understand precisely how all these things are so, you are lost. Perhaps you could provide some of those.