Daniel's 70th week

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

How so? Are we to assume that there was not a single gentile among the 3000 souls that got saved in Acts 2 considering that there were people from every nation present on that day?

Acts 2
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

Why did you not bold 'Jews' in verse 5? The passage seems to be speaking of Jews who had been dispersed to all of these nations.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Ehud

Why did you not bold 'Jews' in verse 5?

Because my question was regarding gentiles that were present during the outpouring of the Spirit.

Originally Posted by Ehud

The passage seems to be speaking of Jews who had been dispersed to all of these nations.

That's an interesting take, but it doesn't read that way to me.

Also, in Acts 6, we see that Greeks were part of the church before the conversion of Cornelius.

Acts 6:1 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Because my question was regarding gentiles that were present during the outpouring of the Spirit.


That's an interesting take, but it doesn't read that way to me.

Also, in Acts 6, we see that Greeks were part of the church before the conversion of Cornelius.

Acts 6:1 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.

I tend to take things quite literally unless given a reason not to and readily admit I could be taking it *too* literally. However, Luke identifies those present as Jews in verse 5, and never seems to stray. I have assumed -- yes, that thing I should know better than to do -- that they were all gathered for Pentecost. Is there any reason gentiles would have been a part of that gathering other than by coincidence? (Legitimately asking because I don't know the answer to that question.)

Also, the footnote in my ESV tells me that the murmuring in Acts 6:1 was being done by Hellenists, or Greek-speaking Jews.

As an aside, if Acts 10 isn't the initial offering of salvation to the gentiles, what purpose did Peter's vision serve?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

How so? Are we to assume that there was not a single gentile among the 3000 souls that got saved in Acts 2 considering that there were people from every nation present on that day?

Acts 2
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Sorry, but not one uncircumcised Roman was a participant in Shavuot.

Not a one.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

How so? Are we to assume that there was not a single gentile among the 3000 souls that got saved in Acts 2 considering that there were people from every nation present on that day?

Acts 2
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Jews can be of any race, and are not a race themselves. They are a certain religious, specifically old Covenant, persuasion.

Paul says the Gospel went to the jew first and then the Gentiles.

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Romans 1:..16....For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

I would not say that Peter went to Cornelius thinking that he could only do so after the 70 weeks. It's just that that's the way it turned out. And I think it just turned out that way because of the 70 weeks. Paul did say the Jew would get it first. Now does that mean no Gentiles were allowed, or just that's the way God would actually do it? Technically a gentile could get saved on the day of Pentecost, but those Jews from every nation weren't Gentiles. It just turned out that they didn't until Acts chapter 10.

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Well, I'm not saying Noahides were in the church prior to Acts 10. I was saying there were both proselytes (gentiles converted to Judaism via circumcision) and "Noahides" (gentiles who worshipped God but did not become Jews via circumcision) prior to the end of the Seventy Weeks. Which demonstrates that gentiles could enter Covenant with Jehovah (via circumcision) or at least still be considered righteous worshippers of Jehovah prior to the end of the Seventy Weeks.

Whatever the reason no Gentiles came into the New Covenant prior to Acts 10, it wasn't due to the Seventy Weeks. Which is more obvious to me now that I better understand the purpose of the Seventy Weeks (plus that the Weeks ended the year Christ died).

Still looking into the Jubilee cycle thing, may be a rabbit trail.

Gentiles could become Jews, which are what those proselytes were.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Gentiles could become Jews, which are what those proselytes were.

Um, that's basically what I said. lol

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Um, that's basically what I said. lol

Just stressing they didn't come into the new covenant from the point of being Gentiles.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Maybe its like this:

70 Weeks determined. But, an extra 38 years was given to serve as a potential reversal of the 38 years of wandering due to unbelief.

Perhaps the 70 Weeks' end aligned with a larger cycle that started with the Exodus, but because of the wilderness delay the final outcome was delayed a proportionate amount of time...?

Hmmmm