The Great Tribulation: Battleground Earth

[Michael The Disciple]

I FIRST asked you about your statements concerning Tartarus, in post 49 and post 50. In post 51 I gave an explanation of the passage in Peter's epistle. I not only asked you, but I gave a thorough explanation of how I understood it.

Your explanation seems wrong. Peter was teaching straight forward about angels that sinned being punished. They were put in Tartarus. Peter said so. He follows with the days of Noah and Sodom how they were also punished.

You said:

Is it not interesting that Peter here quotes from the book of Enoch (chapter 10, verse 4, to be exact)? A Jewish mythological treatise? And in the parallel passage in Jude, when speaking of these sinning angels, again the Jewish apocryphal (pseudepigraphical) book of Enoch is quoted from? Why do both writers quote a non Biblical Jewish myth, instead of just quoting Genesis, when talking about these sinning angels? Perhaps because they are referencing a JEWISH MYTH PROMOTED BY THE FALSE TEACHERS?

Peter and Jude quoted truth. Why would they be teaching myths? They quoted the book of Enoch. They obviously had access to it. What we have today seems corrupt but that does not mean the one they had was.

So is your point since you dont believe in Tartarus you dont believe it is the bottomless pit? I never said it was. Dom brought it up. I said ok maybe and moved on.

In post 53 I pointed out Rev 4:9 leads to a different conclusion than you seemed to be emphasizing.

You said :

Mike, the scorpion demons, as you call them, can only torment those who have not the seal of God (Rev 9:4). So believers who are sealed to God aren't in danger of thinking there's an alien invasion, and people who aren't sealed get the torment no matter what they think.

So, sounds more like you are caught up in the epic grandiosity of a Tolkien-esque end time scenario, rather than being diligent to understand what these VISIONS in the Apocalypse mean. Just maybe?

Did you listen to my video? The whole point was to exhort Christians to draw near to God so they would be sealed from the judgements.

Benincasa made a post, then in post 55 I said this: " But none of this is actually relevant without first establishing the background of the vision. It is one in a series of visions, going back to the six seals and ch 4.

It was a video meant to stir awakening to end time dangers. It wasnt meant to be a book or a long deep study. It was pointing out just two of the judgements coming in the end time. People usually dont watch long teaching videos so I try to keep most of them short.

If just the mention of 2 of these judgements has brought us to 11 pages of discussion can you imagine what all 7 would do?

What disturbs me is when people just ASSUME the whole thing is a "future end time scenario" but never establish that is, in fact, the case. They don't point out the six seals and identify WHEN THESE THINGS WERE/ARE SUPPOSED TO BEGIN.

Well since the seals begin in Rev 6:1 and takes only 16 verses to get us to the great day of Gods wrath I would not assume that thousands of years of history are passing by.

Since the sealing of Rev. 7 takes us to Rev 7:14 which mentions the great tribulation that in my opinion is showing an end time scenario.

The very next post from you was 61, and you said this: " It would be interesting to see what you believe. Explain what it REALLY meant. How it looked when it was fulfilled?

Bottomless pit? Creatures? Angel of the pit? The five months of torment?"

So, we can see YOU ARE THE ONE WHO ANSWERETH NOT THE QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR DOCTRINE. You get asked questions and can't answer, and instead of just saying "Hey, good question, never thought about that, let me get back to you on it" you deflect by asking "It would be neat if you forgot you were asking for me to explain my doctrine and instead let me avoid all questions and distract you with questions of my own the answers to which I won't pay no mind anyway cause epicsearch."

Does it seem evil to you that I asked you all what those things mean to you? What kind of discussion is this? To me those things I asked you is what the discussion is about. You all came mocking what I said in the video about THOSE THINGS.

Neither of you have explained your belief about those things after all this time. You have only ridiculed what I believe.

The distraction is not from me. Im trying to stay on point.