why evangelics love Israel

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

What Jesus said needs not be changed. The difference between Jesus and Paul and you all is they wept and mourned over the Jewish people and nation at the same time they were reproving them.

You all have NOTHING but scorn for them.

Here is why I believe there is a spirit of despising the Jews at work here.

1. They dont believe there are ANY real physical Jews of Abrahams seed today. They are all hybrids.
2. The nation of Israel is a rogue state created by the United Nations. It has no right to exist just like Islam teaches.

Its amazing with all our drumbeating for "Truth" when some of us point some things out...inconsistencies, false doctrine etc how we get lambasted and its automatically assumed that we have the worst of intentions while those who are bringing the accusations have the best...


See Mike...you've gone from addressing the facts of the argument presented to besmirching the intentions and character of those with differing positions than you hold.


Dead branch removed...new branch grafted in.


Pointing out scriptural and illogical inconsistencies are not hate.


I dont automatically abandon an idea just because someone else I dont agree with holds the same view as you seem to suggest we do by drawing some really threadbare "connections" with B & E's and Muslim views on the modern state of Israel.


Thats like saying,"Hitler likes dogs....Will likes dogs...so Will must be Hitler."


If you're gonna be intellectually dishonest like that*and I know you didnt compare them to Hitler but come on....we all know what you were doing* maybe this isnt the right argument for you.


The modern state of Israel as it was formed by the Balfour Declaration is NOT the same as Biblical Israel.


You need to do some independent research outside of Zionist propaganda and maybe listen to some debates where other arguments are presented.


Im not hating anyone and neither is anyone else and I dont wish for the deaths of anyone.


Mike, let me ask you something.


If I were to present quotes, facts and records of some truly reprehensible things that Israel has done...would it even matter to you or would you justify it no matter what because you believe that they have to be around for the final act?

[Michael The Disciple]

If I were to present quotes, facts and records of some truly reprehensible things that Israel has done...would it even matter to you or would you justify it no matter what because you believe that they have to be around for the final act?

I want to respond kindly to you so I will say this. Where have I ever said Israel is not a sinful nation? Have I ever said a Jew in this age will enter Heaven without being born again by Jesus Christ?

My disgust with this kind of teaching is that it makes Jews MORE WICKED than others. Of course along with the other 2 points I made.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

What Jesus said needs not be changed. The difference between Jesus and Paul and you all is they wept and mourned over the Jewish people and nation at the same time they were reproving them.

You all have NOTHING but scorn for them.

Here is why I believe there is a spirit of despising the Jews at work here.

1. They dont believe there are ANY real physical Jews of Abrahams seed today. They are all hybrids.
2. The nation of Israel is a rogue state created by the United Nations. It has no right to exist just like Islam teaches.

Good grief, this is like debating physics with a five year old.

1. Nobody said there are no real, ethnic descendants of Jacob around. Quite the contrary I have repeatedly made this point with you before. What is being said is THE PEOPLE NOWADAYS CALLED JEWS ARE NOT THOSE DESCENDANTS OF JACOB. What is also being said is none of them have the LEGAL DOCUMENTATION TO PROVE THEIR DESCENT FROM JACOB. This has been repeatedly stated, but you ignore that and instead just repeat the bologna about how we have a murderous Nazi spirit. Says a lot about your lack of integrity, Mike.

2. Nobody mentioned the UN. See? You cannot even get the basic facts of this discussion right. Please run along and find a beard thread or something, you clearly can't follow the conversation here.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I want to respond kindly to you so I will say this. Where have I ever said Israel is not a sinful nation? Have I ever said a Jew in this age will enter Heaven without being born again by Jesus Christ?

My disgust with this kind of teaching is that it makes Jews MORE WICKED than others. Of course along with the other 2 points I made.

You live in a fabricated world, Mike.

Sad.

[Michael The Disciple]

Esaias

Nobody said there are no real, ethnic descendants of Jacob around.

Dom

Mike, therefore you teach that CONVERTS (which every single one is) are all beloved of Jesus Christ? Mike, not one of their ancestors crucified Christ, not one of their ancestors were sitting at the foot of Mount Sinai when Moses came down the mountain. By the proclamation in Ezra 2:59-62 they couldn't possibly serve in the temple services, or building.

Dom said there is not a single one.

Esaias

Modern Jews are a diverse lot. I think about half of them are Oriental (East Asian as in Chinese etc).

There seems to be some of Edom in there, as well as Khazarian (which I believe the Khazars were a Turkic people?). There are also quite a few who are actually Germanic and Slavic, if I remember correctly.

Any Jews that are actually biologically Israelite (or part Israelite) would be so by accident as it were, being descended from European Gentiles who converted to Judaism or married into Judaism. I hear that history is rather ironic.

You wrote the same thing.

Then you wrote it again.

The people today called Jews ARE NOT ISRAELITES. They are not the ancient house of Judah. They are a religious and political group that hates Jesus Christ.

Just like I said. Unreal.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Just like I said. Unreal.

Wow, you can't read.

You must be hotter than a camp fire in the middle of August in the Florida Keys.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Good grief, this is like debating physics with a five year old.

1. Nobody said there are no real, ethnic descendants of Jacob around. Quite the contrary I have repeatedly made this point with you before. What is being said is

THE PEOPLE NOWADAYS CALLED JEWS ARE NOT THOSE DESCENDANTS OF JACOB. What is also being said is none of them have the LEGAL DOCUMENTATION TO PROVE THEIR DESCENT FROM JACOB.

This has been repeatedly stated, but you ignore that and instead just repeat the bologna about how we have a murderous Nazi spirit. Says a lot about your lack of integrity, Mike.

2. Nobody mentioned the UN. See? You cannot even get the basic facts of this discussion right. Please run along and find a beard thread or something, you clearly can't follow the conversation here.

Mike

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Its amazing with all our drumbeating for "Truth" when some of us point some things out...inconsistencies, false doctrine etc how we get lambasted and its automatically assumed that we have the worst of intentions while those who are bringing the accusations have the best...


See Mike...you've gone from addressing the facts of the argument presented to besmirching the intentions and character of those with differing positions than you hold.


Dead branch removed...new branch grafted in.


Pointing out scriptural and illogical inconsistencies are not hate.


I dont automatically abandon an idea just because someone else I dont agree with holds the same view as you seem to suggest we do by drawing some really threadbare "connections" with B & E's and Muslim views on the modern state of Israel.


Thats like saying,

"Hitler likes dogs....Will likes dogs...so Will must be Hitler."

If you're gonna be intellectually dishonest like that*and I know you didnt compare them to Hitler but come on....we all know what you were doing* maybe this isnt the right argument for you.


The modern state of Israel as it was formed by the Balfour Declaration is NOT the same as Biblical Israel.


You need to do some independent research outside of Zionist propaganda and maybe listen to some debates where other arguments are presented.


Im not hating anyone and neither is anyone else and I dont wish for the deaths of anyone.


Mike, let me ask you something.


If I were to present quotes, facts and records of some truly reprehensible things that Israel has done...would it even matter to you or would you justify it no matter what because you believe that they have to be around for the final act?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

What Jesus said needs not be changed. The difference between Jesus and Paul and you all is they wept and mourned over the Jewish people and nation at the same time they were reproving them.

You all have NOTHING but scorn for them.

Here is why I believe there is a spirit of despising the Jews at work here.

1. They dont believe there are ANY real physical Jews of Abrahams seed today. They are all hybrids.
2. The nation of Israel is a rogue state created by the United Nations.

It has no right to exist just like Islam teaches.

Mike, you call me a liar, and then in this thread you tell big lies.

Mike, we are all hybrids. I can only trace my family back 200 years. 200 2,000, 5000, see the difference?

Ezra 2:59-62 is the one who said it, and if you don't like it, then by all means PROVE THEM WRONG.

2 where did I say number 2?

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I want to respond kindly to you so I will say this. Where have I ever said Israel is not a sinful nation? Have I ever said a Jew in this age will enter Heaven without being born again by Jesus Christ?

My disgust with this kind of teaching is that it makes Jews MORE WICKED than others. Of course along with the other 2 points I made.

Dude...I never said Jews are more wicked than anyone else.LOL! I certainly dont think they are BETTER than anyone else either.


Quit putting ethnic/religious groups on pedestals man.


There has been this massive movement in the evangelical movement that just turns a blind eye to what has happened and is happening there and it fits right into our crazy thinking that the ground ISNT level at calvary and that some are closer to Him because of calling/anointing/ministry and or *chosen*.