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[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by n david

Okay, I'll accept that.

Each post has a point of origin and goes from there. Here's what I posted and then the responses which all went back to my quote, which is why I took it a little personal.















I apologize if I misread the intent of the subsequent posts using my initial quote and others which branched from that.

I get it, so yes some of the posts are in reference to your post or a reply to your post. No offence meant friend we are all bouncing comments off of one another.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Ehud

How would you or your pastor deal with saints who have come from other churches and don’t line up exactly on your church’s standards? Let’s assume they moved cross-country for work and aren’t church hopping or running from anything.

It happens....Usually gets addressed when they are wanting to get involved in some type of leadership..... seriously don’t get a lot of push back they understand when we discuss it. I know we are painted sometimes in a bad light by others but outward holiness is not something we harp on every service and to everybody that doesn’t line up... yes it gets dealt with but 90% of our services are geared toward evangelism or sinners.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Who said facial hair is a heaven or hell issue?

Here's what I've read in this thread, and while these posts don't outright say "men with facial hair are going to hell" the end result of what is being posted is just that.

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

But those that just cant live for God based on our dress code and standards sorry but they didnt die like I did when I repented neither did they receive what I received when I got the Holy Ghost.

Back at post 189 I asked for an explanation on whether I was reading that part correctly. It appeared you're saying that people who don't agree with your dress codes and standards didn't really repent or receive the HG. I thought I must be reading it wrong and requested more explanation, but it seems that post got lost among others and was never responded to.

Originally Posted by hometown guy

If people want to get in rebellion over facial hair then obviously there is much deeper issues.

Claiming a man with facial hair is in rebellion is a serious accusation. That is indeed heaven/hell. The Bible is clear in regards to rebellion. This is what I mean when I type that people won't come right out and say, "men with facial hair are going to hell," but instead will just say "you're in rebellion." It's the same result and ending.

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

I dont get it. Some would leave a church and go find the one that.fits their fantsy so they can have a beard. No matter the relationship between the church and the family or the pastor. No loyalty, no pastoral authority, no submission.

Another not outright saying it, but the end result is the same.

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Bottom line is they don’t want a pastor. They want the benefits of a Christian and still have there carnal life style

The Bible says to be carnally minded is death, and the carnal mind is enmity with God. Again, the end of such a one is damnation and hell.

Please tell me where I'm missing it, because it does appear that while there hasn't been outright condemnation to hell, the end result of what has been posted about those generic men wearing facial hair is the same.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

I get it, so yes some of the posts are in reference to your post or a reply to your post. No offence meant friend we are all bouncing comments off of one another.

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

It happens....Usually gets addressed when they are wanting to get involved in some type of leadership..... seriously don’t get a lot of push back they understand when we discuss it. I know we are painted sometimes in a bad light by others but outward holiness is not something we harp on every service and to everybody that doesn’t line up... yes it gets dealt with but 90% of our services are geared toward evangelism or sinners.

I’m glad you mentioned leadership. How quickly are newcomers allowed into such roles? For instance, will your pastor take the word of another pastor he respects and fast track that process, or does he need to see the given person “in action” for a while prior to being allowed in such a role?

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by n david

Here's what I've read in this thread, and while these posts don't outright say "men with facial hair are going to hell" the end result of what is being posted is just that.



Back at post 189 I asked for an explanation on whether I was reading that part correctly. It appeared you're saying that people who don't agree with your dress codes and standards didn't really repent or receive the HG. I thought I must be reading it wrong and requested more explanation, but it seems that post got lost among others and was never responded to.


Claiming a man with facial hair is in rebellion is a serious accusation. That is indeed heaven/hell. The Bible is clear in regards to rebellion. This is what I mean when I type that people won't come right out and say, "men with facial hair are going to hell," but instead will just say "you're in rebellion." It's the same result and ending.


Another not outright saying it, but the end result is the same.


The Bible says to be carnally minded is death, and the carnal mind is enmity with God. Again, the end of such a one is damnation and hell.

Please tell me where I'm missing it, because it does appear that while there hasn't been outright condemnation to hell, the end result of what has been posted about those generic men wearing facial hair is the same.

Should a man have a pastor?

If a man's pastor chooses to have platform rules and dress codes is that wrong?

If a man is denied by the pastor to participate in the ministry of the local church for violating the platform rules, is the pastor wrong?

Should the man submit to the standard of the church?

If the man leaves that church in search for another to accommodate his desire to participate in local church ministry is he wrong?

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Ehud

I’m glad you mentioned leadership. How quickly are newcomers allowed into such roles? For instance, will your pastor take the word of another pastor he respects and fast track that process, or does he need to see the given person “in action” for a while prior to being allowed in such a role?

Any new person is 6 month minimum.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by n david

Here's what I've read in this thread, and while these posts don't outright say "men with facial hair are going to hell" the end result of what is being posted is just that.



Back at post 189 I asked for an explanation on whether I was reading that part correctly. It appeared you're saying that people who don't agree with your dress codes and standards didn't really repent or receive the HG. I thought I must be reading it wrong and requested more explanation, but it seems that post got lost among others and was never responded to.


Claiming a man with facial hair is in rebellion is a serious accusation. That is indeed heaven/hell. The Bible is clear in regards to rebellion. This is what I mean when I type that people won't come right out and say, "men with facial hair are going to hell," but instead will just say "you're in rebellion." It's the same result and ending.


Another not outright saying it, but the end result is the same.


The Bible says to be carnally minded is death, and the carnal mind is enmity with God. Again, the end of such a one is damnation and hell.

Please tell me where I'm missing it, because it does appear that while there hasn't been outright condemnation to hell, the end result of what has been posted about those generic men wearing facial hair is the same.

Yes you are missing it.... we are not talking about a new concert... if I there was a saint in our church that knows what we believe and disregards it there is a good chance they are in rebellion... if you are submitted to a pastor it’s not a big deal to pick up a razor. My former pastor was against Christmas trees. I didn’t have the same view on them as he did... but guess what I just didn’t have one because I was submitted to him and the church. It doesn’t always have to be about me and I don’t always have to have it my way or take my toys and go home.

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by Ehud

I’m glad you mentioned leadership. How quickly are newcomers allowed into such roles? For instance, will your pastor take the word of another pastor he respects and fast track that process, or does he need to see the given person “in action” for a while prior to being allowed in such a role?

Around here it's 1 year min plus fruit.

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Around here it's 1 year min plus fruit.

I liked six months, but I really like one year plus fruit.