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06-04-2019, 05:59 PM
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Re: Ronna Russell Book
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Originally Posted by Sherri
Has anyone read Ronna (Fisher) Russell’s new book on her abuse as a pastor’s kid growing up? 😳 I gather it’s slamming her UPC heritage just from the stuff I saw online. Her dad married us and was one of our favorite teachers at JCM before he walked away from his family, God, and all he’d ever known.
My childhood in UPC was so different. I don’t feel like I was abused, weird, mistreated, or misguided. It’s not what I’m a part of now, but I cherish it nonetheless.
Just wondered if anyone had read it and what you thought. I did order it just because that family was very dear to me, including Ronna and her sisters.
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Sherri,
There is already a thread here about the book. I bought the kindle version and at first thought Amazon had downloaded the wrong book as chapter one is totally pornographic. Which explained why in a video clip I saw of her reading an except from the book she wisely chose chapter 2.
I just remember her as a shy young girl and it breaks my heart to see where she is at in life as a non believer in God, etc. I can't help but wonder if her recollections are somewhat skewed by the trauma of her father leaving the ministry and enbracing a gay lifestyle then dying of AIDS. Like her I grew up in the UPC and have many, many, many disagreements with it's traditions, doctrines, etc but NEVER have I felt traumatized by it's teachings as she and a few others have. I could understand it better if she had been at some places but her years in Jackson were not at a church where hellfire and damnation was the focus. There was the typical UPC dress code but the focus was not on that. I found it a refreshingly positive enviroment.
I thought the world of her dad and family. I was so upset those many years ago when I heard what Don Fisher had done I literally had a dream where i confronted him about it. Despite how he ended up he had a very big impact on my life and I know many others at JCM. His life and ministry was not in vain.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
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"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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06-05-2019, 11:46 AM
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Re: Ronna Russell Book
Everyone should quit clutching their pearls and start with Chapter 2. You delicate flowers....  I agree Chapter 1 was completely unnecessary, in my opinion, but I guess that was her message that the book wasn't for this crowd. Still, interesting reading beyond that.
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06-05-2019, 11:55 AM
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Re: Ronna Russell Book
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Everyone should quit clutching their pearls and start with Chapter 2. You delicate flowers.... I agree Chapter 1 was completely unnecessary, in my opinion, but I guess that was her message that the book wasn't for this crowd. Still, interesting reading beyond that. |
Delicate flower, no. Modest, yes.
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06-05-2019, 01:09 PM
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Re: Ronna Russell Book
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Originally Posted by Sherri
Has anyone read Ronna (Fisher) Russell’s new book on her abuse as a pastor’s kid growing up? �� I gather it’s slamming her UPC heritage just from the stuff I saw online. Her dad married us and was one of our favorite teachers at JCM before he walked away from his family, God, and all he’d ever known.
My childhood in UPC was so different. I don’t feel like I was abused, weird, mistreated, or misguided. It’s not what I’m a part of now, but I cherish it nonetheless.
Just wondered if anyone had read it and what you thought. I did order it just because that family was very dear to me, including Ronna and her sisters.
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I haven't read it. But growing up in an abusive home has more to do with the individuals involved than what church, temple, or mosque they go to.
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06-05-2019, 09:47 PM
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Re: Ronna Russell Book
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Everyone should quit clutching their pearls and start with Chapter 2. You delicate flowers.... I agree Chapter 1 was completely unnecessary, in my opinion, but I guess that was her message that the book wasn't for this crowd. Still, interesting reading beyond that. |
Give it a break already. Chapter one was unnecessary? You think? No the book isn’t for this crowd. But you knew that before you posted it. 
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06-06-2019, 02:41 PM
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Re: Ronna Russell Book
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Give it a break already. Chapter one was unnecessary? You think? No the book isn’t for this crowd. But you knew that before you posted it. |
You are so wise, sir. 
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06-06-2019, 02:50 PM
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Re: Ronna Russell Book
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Everyone should quit clutching their pearls and start with Chapter 2. You delicate flowers.... I agree Chapter 1 was completely unnecessary, in my opinion, but I guess that was her message that the book wasn't for this crowd. Still, interesting reading beyond that. |
Hello, friend!
If you don’t mind me asking, what is it about the remainder of the book that was interesting reading?
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06-06-2019, 03:29 PM
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Re: Ronna Russell Book
It was for the bitter crowd. That’s why all almost all the reviews on the book have the same theme in their life. I haven’t read it but just based on the reviews I know what kind of venom is coming out of the book.
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06-06-2019, 07:36 PM
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Re: Ronna Russell Book
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It was for the bitter crowd. That’s why all almost all the reviews on the book have the same theme in their life. I haven’t read it but just based on the reviews I know what kind of venom is coming out of the book.
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Amen, you are exactly right. Why on earth would someone read it you were unchurched? They would to read the old woman's porn stories. How she found her sexual freedom? Who cares about that? She does.
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06-06-2019, 07:40 PM
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Re: Ronna Russell Book
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You are so wise, sir. |
Wise enough to know you have an agenda. Which is getting old, and the days of NFCF are long done. No one salivates over the old song and dance of the UPCI was mean to me. I just can't imagine a group of people sitting around licking their wounds for years over their bad experiences in a religion. Get over it already. You people are Christians? Then forgive and grow up. You are not Christians? Then suck it up and move on.
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