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Originally Posted by BCsenior
5 NT verses say Jesus created all things.
2 NT verses say the Father created all things through Jesus.
1 NT verse says the Father and Jesus both created all things (i.e. together).
Jesus (100% God) prayed to Father God often in the gospels.
So, how could They be the same God, One God.
IMO, your only recourse is to claim that someone tampered with the NT
and made it appear as if it teaches a Trinity, a Triune Godhead.
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Our recourse is to start with the foundation of truth rather than in the middle or end.
Lets start here.
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Duet 6:4
4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: 5And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
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The battle over who Jesus is between Oneness and Trinity is NOT over whether Jesus is God but rather how many Gods are there.
If God is one and Jesus is God no one else can be. So if we start with the foundation of Duet 6:4 there must be a way Jesus is the only God and yet....be his Son.
Trinity fails here because the doctrine itself sets out to assert there is more than one who is God.
Among the scores of Trinitarian believers I have discussed with the consensus of their doctrine seems to be this.
God is one in being but not in person.
There are three co equal, co eternal persons, each one DISTINCT from the other.
This they declare to be ONE GOD.
In this view each of the three persons of God (God persons) is God apart from or distinct from the other two. The other two are always distinct from the other one.
And yet...this is a so called One God belief.
It definitely teaches if not outright three Gods at minimum three GOD PERSONS.
So the battle lines are drawn.
Oneness believes in one God the Father who manifests himself through Jesus Christ and three God persons of which Jesus is number two.
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