Gino Jennings End Times

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Let me add that I believe if a sinner dies in the Old Testament times or the new they immediately go to a fiery hell and await the final judgment.

[Amanah]

Gehenna is a place where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched. How does this relate to a disembodied spirit?

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Originally Posted by Amanah

Gehenna is a place where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched. How does this relate to a disembodied spirit?

The valley of Hinnom is where literal entails were thrown with maggots and fire destroying carcasses. It is used in the bible as representative of the fiery torment of lost souls. Just like the lake of fire, the actual place not physical. It's using a physical place to relate a spiritual place for us.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Gehenna is a place where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched. How does this relate to a disembodied spirit?

More importantly, how does this relate to an IMMORTAL person, disembodied or otherwise? Gehenna was Jerusalem's garbage dump. Was always on fire and full of maggots. Nothing that went in came out. The picture Jesus is giving is that of destruction and being consumed by a fire that cannot be put out, that is equipped to devour whatever goes in. Permanent destruction in shame and ignominy.

Plus, Jesus said "body and soul" go to gehenna. That means punishment is of the person, body and soul, whuch means it occurs after resurrection and judgment day.

Prior to that Day, the dead await their fate, sleeping in the dust of the earth.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I don't think we are never disembodied spirits.

I think we receive the breath of life from God and becoming a living being.

When we die our breath returns to God our maker, our bodies return to the dust.

We die in a natural body and are raised in a spiritual immortal body and then shall ever be with the Lord.

There is no knowledge, wisdom, or thought in the grave Ecclesiastes 9:10

Ecclesiastes 12 King James Version (KJV)

1 Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;

2 While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:

3 In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened,

4 And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low;

5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:

6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Esaias

More importantly, how does this relate to an IMMORTAL person, disembodied or otherwise? Gehenna was Jerusalem's garbage dump. Was always on fire and full of maggots. Nothing that went in came out. The picture Jesus is giving is that of destruction and being consumed by a fire that cannot be put out, that is equipped to devour whatever goes in. Permanent destruction in shame and ignominy.

Plus, Jesus said "body and soul" go to gehenna. That means punishment is of the person, body and soul, whuch means it occurs after resurrection and judgment day.

Prior to that Day, the dead await their fate, sleeping in the dust of the earth

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οh now i saw that i am not sure what sleeping really means. If the soul has conscience or really sleeps? How you connect this to the "spirits in prison" and other statements like "i go to the Lord" etc. ?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by peter83

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οh now i saw that i am not sure what sleeping really means. If the soul has conscience or really sleeps? How you connect this to the "spirits in prison" and other statements like "i go to the Lord" etc. ?

Sleeping in the dust of the earth means to be dead. The dead are not conscious.

The spirits in prison were preached to by Christ by the Holy Spirit in the days of Noah. Which means Christ preached to them by the Spirit through Noah (a preacher of righteousness), not that Christ preached to them after they and He died.

Paul looked forward to being with the Lord on resurrection day, he did not look to become a disembodied spirit.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Sleeping in the dust of the earth means to be dead. The dead are not conscious.

The spirits in prison were preached to by Christ by the Holy Spirit in the days of Noah. Which means Christ preached to them by the Spirit through Noah (a preacher of righteousness), not that Christ preached to them after they and He died.

Paul looked forward to being with the Lord on resurrection day, he did not look to become a disembodied spirit.

Ok there are verses were Paul looked forward but that doea not explain verses were e see:
1 Pet.4: 6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
Also look:
but quickened by the Spirit:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient,
It speaks about Christ who went and preached to the spirits .
Also there are many verses like the thief on the cross ,Jesus told him
"today you will be with me in Paradise"
Paul said:
23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
Paul having the desire to depart and be with the Lord does not speak about the future glory that speaks to other verses,
that speaks about spirit living the body "decease" and
there are many many verses also at Revelation were dead saints are waiting till resurrection
So i dont want to make any doctrine about that, i maybe mistakenly see those verses, but i am sure there is a place for the souls.
That does not make sense to some, because they ask "what the point then with the Resurrection'? I dont know! I know only that Resurrection is when soul/spirit come back to a glorified body etc.
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37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. 38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
That goes beyont (thats why i dont want to touch it now) .
All kind of spirits ,devils, angels, etc. even the Holy One, operates to life through a body or through men, now imagine that man is not just a "living soul" like any animal, but has a spirit! Spirits are eternal beings and we are too.
demons want a "home to rest" and they camoe to men! Otherwise feel bad "in dryness" of Abysos.
Some spiritual beings (Angels that sinned and left their first estate)are in prison too! they wait there till the final judgment..
God make His angels "spirits"
Satan took with him 1/3 of angels!
Satan is a spirit himself! and those spirits operate now to the "air" of this earth (or universe, anyway )
Old Testament has Saul calling a dead spirit! the spirit od Prophet Samuel!
hmm all those spirits maybe did not took yet the perfectness without us "received not the promise" yet, but this does not proove those spirits are .. not existing.
God bless.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by peter83

Ok there are verses were Paul looked forward but that doea not explain verses were e see:
1 Pet.4: 6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
Also look:
but quickened by the Spirit:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient,
It speaks about Christ who went and preached to the spirits .
Also there are many verses like the thief on the cross ,Jesus told him
"today you will be with me in Paradise"
Paul said:
23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
Paul having the desire to depart and be with the Lord does not speak about the future glory that speaks to other verses,
that speaks about spirit living the body "decease" and
there are many many verses also at Revelation were dead saints are waiting till resurrection
So i dont want to make any doctrine about that, i maybe mistakenly see those verses, but i am sure there is a place for the souls.
That does not make sense to some, because they ask "what the point then with the Resurrection'? I dont know! I know only that Resurrection is when soul/spirit come back to a glorified body etc.
"
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. 38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
That goes beyont (thats why i dont want to touch it now) .
All kind of spirits ,devils, angels, etc. even the Holy One, operates to life through a body or through men, now imagine that man is not just a "living soul" like any animal, but has a spirit! Spirits are eternal beings and we are too.
demons want a "home to rest" and they camoe to men! Otherwise feel bad "in dryness" of Abysos.
Some spiritual beings (Angels that sinned and left their first estate)are in prison too! they wait there till the final judgment..
God make His angels "spirits"
Satan took with him 1/3 of angels!
Satan is a spirit himself! and those spirits operate now to the "air" of this earth (or universe, anyway )
Old Testament has Saul calling a dead spirit! the spirit od Prophet Samuel!
hmm all those spirits maybe did not took yet the perfectness without us "received not the promise" yet, but this does not proove those spirits are .. not existing.
God bless.

You said you don't want to touch it so I'll leave it alone. But, in the future, if you want to, we can discuss. Because the Scriptures explain all those points you raised.

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Paul looked forward to being absent from the body to be present with the Lord. Not an empty desire of wishful thinking.