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Old 01-05-2020, 03:56 PM
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Re: there Was no “old covenant” until “new covenan

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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister View Post
The verse you quoted in Hebrews 8 . . .

[13] In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Is preceded by verse 8

Hebrews 8:8 KJV

[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Which is a quote from Jeremiah 31 . . .

[31] Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
[32] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

So the NEW COVENANT spoken of in Hebrews 8:13, is prophesied of in Jeremiah 31, which as you know is in the OT.

But if you are asking how the covenant mentioned in Exodus 19 came to be referred to as the OLD COVENANT my answer to that is that the author of the book you posted on here (Allen Walker?) is the one who said that it was the old covenant.

I say that it became the OLD COVENANT by applying the rule in Hebrews 8:13. When he saith a new covenant . . .

If there is a new covenant, then by default, the pre-existing covenant would become old.

Therefore, if the covenant made in Exodus 20 was different than the one in Exodus 19, as Allen Walker claims, and not part of the covenant that contains the Ten Commandments (as I believe) then the previous one (chapter 19) would be old already, even though it is only three days old. This is completely illogical to me.

Do you believe that the covenant mentioned in Exodus 19 is separate from the covenant sprinkled with blood in Exodus 24?

I do not.

Remember the distinction of chapter numbers was added to the Bible. If you take away the chapter numbers, and simply read the book of Exodus, it will look like one story, about one covenant. The structure of that covenant is the Ten Commandments.
Very good points!

And this brings to mind a very good point. Jeremiah 31 teaches us that the old Covenant was unable to be kept. And that includes the Ten Commandments, just as Paul explained in Romans chapter 7 that he tried to obey the Covenant commandment to not covet, and found that the letter of the law was used by Sin as a weapon to kill him. In other words he was saying exactly the same thing Jeremiah said. People couldn't keep it. And Paul again explained that we are now led by the spirit in the law of the spirit of Life, which does cause the law of sin and death to be overcome, whereas the Mosaic law of Commandments was unable to do that.
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