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Originally Posted by n david
We know there were women in the Bible who prophesied, in both Old and New Testaments it's recorded. So "are we smarter than the Bible" doesn't work here.
Paul was in the home of Philip the Evangelist in Acts 21. He had four daughters "which did prophesy" it appears while Paul was there. Why didn't he condemn Philip for his daughter's actions?
So are the two statements by Paul ( 1 Cor 14:34 and 1 Tim 2:12) meant for specific congregations due to specific issues? I believe they are.
Because there were women who led Israel (Deborah) and women who were prophets; and because there were, in the NT church, women who prophesied and the Bible says daughters would prophesy -- I don't believe there is a blanket prohibition on women speakers.
Personally, I would not attend a church with a female Pastor, but I have no issue listening to a female give a message from the Bible. |
Deborah didn't lead Israel. She was a judge during a time of utter religious apostasy. Her husband was mentioned because either he was a super great guy, and he passed away. Or he was a super bad guy, and he passed away. Either way everyone knew her husband (who was the real prophet) Deborah's title as prophetess in Hebrew meant she was married to one. In a patriarchal society it would of been pretty bad to have a woman over you. Especially leading you into battle. Deborah is told by God to tell a man BARAK to go fight the enemy. Deborah even tells the guy that he already knew about this, because God told him first. But Barak didn't want to go for whatever reason. He then tells Deborah that he won't go until she comes with him. At hearing this Deborah clues Barak into the fact that God wouldn't give the victory to Barak MAN, but give the victory to a milk maid with a tent spike. Not a good look, not at all.
The case concerning
1 Cor 14:34 and
1 Tim 2:12 are specifically dealing with husband and wife issues. The whole argument about females yelling across the room is not found in the Old or New Testaments. Individuals using that argument go to Talmudic Judaism of the Medieval period to offer a segregated synagogue setting was probably the cause of Paul's comments.
They point to ask husband's at home, because they look at the pulpit and audience setting in a Christain Church. The settings of the New testament church congregations are in homes. The service didn't just have a talking a head, but had elders who presented the teachings to the church. Men were also instructed to keep silence or remain calm. When the three fold witness of tongue talking and interpretation went forth from the ELDERS. Women weren't a part of this teaching, or prophysing group. Yet, women did prophesy as well as men. Just not in these situations.
1 Timothy 2:12 the apostle let's it be known that he won't even tolerate a woman having authority or teaching her husband. But she was to remain calm.
1 Corinthians 14:34 definitely cannot be considered as one event, for one specific congregation. Because the word referring to churches is plural. Therefore like the hair/vail issue was across the board to all house gatherings. Married females were commanded (not suggested) to be under obedience as was required in the the law. Therefore wives were to be subject to their own husbands, and not to the greater congregant of elders. No one was teaching someone else's wife, or children. That was the man's job. If elder older sisters were teaching females they topic of Bible study was how they were supposed to submit and love their husbands. If Philip the Evangelist's daughters prophesied and if Phil didn't want that, he could shut it down
Numbers 30. But they were prophesying, spiritual utterance, could of been speaking in tongues, of just giving praise to God. But a prophet named Agabus was the one who told Paul how the cow ate the cabbage. Not the virgin daughters.
What is your reason for not attending a church with a woman pastor?
Also what do you think about a Woman General Superintendent?
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